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re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 6 Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:it boggles the mind doesn't it?
Is this for real?
how is that even possible that you can be in charge of something as big as Obi-Wan and Vader getting back on the screen, and you didn't even see watch the movie that sets your show up?
I've been saying, they should have got this guy to come on and be involved. He knows his shite.
He's done more for star wars than Disney has.
To be in charge of something this grand, you need to know the story front and back. You need to be a fan, to know what to give the fans. You need to respect the story, so it transitions on screen, and you at least need to do the basic work and watch the main films.
You also need to dive into the lore, but this is something someone in charge should have already done way before taking on the project.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 5:28 pm
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:44 pm to TrussvilleTide
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an admittedly cool fight scene in the middle of by far the worst thing disney has done to the skywalker saga
Dude. Seriously? The Last Jedi was exponentially more damaging.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:47 pm to dirtsandwich
Not by much. This show just established Obiwan could whip Vader’s arse with ease, KNEW Anakin was dead, and let him live so Obiwan could have an excuse to groom children while allowing Alderaan to be blown up along the way
This series confirms Luke wasn’t needed. After Obiwan kicks Vader’s arse, what’s stopping him from taking the dozens of remaining Jedi and whipping the emperor’s arse? Obiwan showed the same level of power, if not more.
This series confirms Luke wasn’t needed. After Obiwan kicks Vader’s arse, what’s stopping him from taking the dozens of remaining Jedi and whipping the emperor’s arse? Obiwan showed the same level of power, if not more.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:00 pm to blueboy
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:08 pm to Scoob
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The reason Luke (and Leia) are so important isn't to protect kids, it's that those children are the only hope to flip Vader back to the Light.
quote:I always felt that Obiwan and Yoda thought anakin was dead and lost.
So you can't kill Vader, and you can't let those kids die; or Palpatine's victory is complete and irreversible.
Obi Wan and Yoda grasp that, at least subconsciously, and play the long game.
Whereas Luke was the only person who felt differently. It was his new hope that returned the jedi known as anakin.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:13 pm to SEClint
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I always felt that Obiwan and Yoda thought anakin was dead and lost.
Agreed. They said as much on multiple occasions.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:24 pm to dirtsandwich
The show sucks balls. Reva is one of the worst characters I have ever seen in cinema. The writing was god awful. So much stupidity.
Now I get to watch Amazon destroy my favorute movie trilogy of all time....
Now I get to watch Amazon destroy my favorute movie trilogy of all time....
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:55 pm to dirtsandwich
quote:well, we all agree he was clearly lost to THEM.quote:
I always felt that Obiwan and Yoda thought anakin was dead and lost.
Agreed. They said as much on multiple occasions.
But honestly, that could be from their famous "certain point of view". Kenobi told Luke to trust his feelings, and not to use his senses. If you're training Luke, maybe you know he's ready when he trusts what he feels over what these Jedi masters tell him. Maybe that's their test.
Whatever else is the case, WE know from story, Vader IS fated to kill the emperor. What he may have believed after facing Vader the first time is not relevant. He should know better at some point.
They could have made that point this second fight, and that be the reason he spared Vader.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:11 pm to Scoob
Did the shaky cam and motion blur make the action scenes hard to watch for anyone else? That shite made my eyes water.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:39 pm to SEClint
Obiwan and Yoda put their hopes in Luke (probably thinking it was a long shot). What they didn't forsee was that Luke would fulfill that hope in part by getting through to his father.
What this show has indicated to me was that Vader never really 100% shook off Anakin. I don't think you could say he was redeemed because how can you get redemption for some of the horrible things he did, but he retained that core of emotion that Luke was able to appeal to.
What this show has indicated to me was that Vader never really 100% shook off Anakin. I don't think you could say he was redeemed because how can you get redemption for some of the horrible things he did, but he retained that core of emotion that Luke was able to appeal to.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:58 pm to Scoob
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Whatever else is the case, WE know from story, Vader IS fated to kill the emperor.
Disney destroyed the prophecy by having the Emperor come back so a mary sue could be the one to kill him.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:11 pm to SEClint
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To be in charge of something this grand, you need to know the story front and back. You need to be a fan, to know what to give the fans. You need to respect the story, so it transitions on screen, and you at least need to do the basic work and watch the main films.
I find the way people talk about Star Wars kind of fascinating, when you compare it to their actual opinions of the properties.
There are 9 movies in the main saga. Pretty much everyone loves the O.G. trilogy.
What about the prequels? Well.. I constantly see them referred to as an “abomination.” At best people seem to like.. I don’t know.. one of the three prequel films?
OK, what about the sequels? I think most people liked The Force Awakens at the time, though I think it had a lot to do with the long hiatus and modern production value. Everyone seems to hate The Last Jedi. And it seems opinions on The Rise of Skywalker are largely based on how people feel about Rey.
Basically, my interpretation is that most fans of the O.G. trilogy think:
- The prequels sucked.
- The sequels were meh.
So I always wonder.. what are the glory days of Star Wars that folks are always talking about? 1977-1983?
I know a lot of people are really into the lore that got added through some of the ancillary properties - particularly the animated series. But can you really base your opinion of what Star Wars “is” on those ancillary properties?
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think folks have an inflated view of Star Wars that doesn’t really reflect the actual quality of the main films. And I say this as someone who likes Star Wars.
That’s not to say that you’re wrong about the need to know the lore. I just think it’s kind of funny how expectations seem to be driven just as much by Rebels and The Mandalorian as they are driven by Attack of the Clones.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:11 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Did the shaky cam and motion blur make the action scenes hard to watch for anyone else
I first really noticed it in the desert when Reva enters the courtyard of their home. It was so bad
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:12 am to Methuselah
quote:the fact that Vader refuses to go to Tatooine in fears of reawakening Anakin says that to me.
What this show has indicated to me was that Vader never really 100% shook off Anakin.
Which is the perfect place for Luke to be hidden because Vader wants nothing to do with his former life, planet or family. He also couldn't sense Luke there because he would assume he was sensing Anakin.
A lot of people don't realize that, those who think it was stupid of Luke to be on that planet in the same areas I guess don't realise it was the safest place for Luke.
Eta
I'm surprised he never just blew that one up with the death star to rid the temptation
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 12:34 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:13 am to lostinbr
quote:they're Citizen Kane compared to TLJ
What about the prequels? Well.. I constantly see them referred to as an “abomination.”
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:25 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:id have loved an after credits scene of Maul angrily crawling through garbage with purpose on the planet Lotho Minor
Maul should have been the antagonist for this series, not Vader.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 7:59 am to theunknownknight
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Not by much. This show just established Obiwan could whip Vader’s arse with ease, KNEW Anakin was dead, and let him live so Obiwan could have an excuse to groom children while allowing Alderaan to be blown up along the way
This series confirms Luke wasn’t needed. After Obiwan kicks Vader’s arse, what’s stopping him from taking the dozens of remaining Jedi and whipping the emperor’s arse? Obiwan showed the same level of power, if not more.
Agree with all the points but I do think this series was more damaging than TLJ. You can watch the first 6 films as a contained story and completely skip the new trilogy, but this series inserts itself in the canon of the originals which is what makes it way more criminal than the new trilogy IMO
Posted on 6/24/22 at 8:06 am to lostinbr
At this point, I’d take the prequels tover the recent trilogy all fricking day. TLJ was awful and I found myself mocking Rise of Skywalker in the theater.Space horses riding across a Star destroyer was definitely an interesting choice. Haven’t rewatched either and never want to.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 8:18 am to theunknownknight
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This series confirms Luke wasn’t needed.
I have heard this critism and its not true. If Luke does not take his hero journey, Anakin never returns to the light. Again, it was Luke in the throne room, no matter how much they try to retcon Luke in all these extra series, it cannot change the basic facts of the OT.
Why does Obiwan not kill Vader, because again, it would not be the Jedi way. Obiwan is the Jedi's jedi. He defeated Vader, left him to die again, it is not the Jedi way to kill a helpless person. Let the force decide. Not killing Vader is exactly in Obiwan's character.
The two people closest to Anakin that knew him best, ObiWan and Asoka could not bring him back to the light. Not even a dent in the Vader belief. But Luke was able to do it because of the love a son has for a father and the father for the son. Star Wars is nothing more than a story about a son and father.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 8:24 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 8:30 am to theunknownknight
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This series confirms Luke wasn’t needed. After Obiwan kicks Vader’s arse, what’s stopping him from taking the dozens of remaining Jedi and whipping the emperor’s arse? Obiwan showed the same level of power, if not more.
Disagree, it just showed that Vader had a lot to learn about not letting certain people mess up his mind.
something he failed to do in episode 6 when Luke brought him back.
He was incredibly strong, but certain people got in his head
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