re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 6 Discussion Thread

Rise of Skywalker was so fricking bad.

You had so many terrible lines and deliveries and it pretty much invalidated not only the previous entry but greatly diminished the first 6 movies as well.

"Somehow Palpatine returned" has to be the worst shite I ever heard.

The fakeout death of C3PO and Chewie...Finn desperately needed to talk to Rey but... I guess deciding not to at any point in the movie.

How the hell did either of those sequels get made?

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Larry Bird vs Michael Jordon

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I believe it's spelled Larrie Byrd.

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I have heard this critism and its not true. If Luke does not take his hero journey, Anakin never returns to the light

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You’re missing my point

Obiwan’s goal - according to THIS series (coupled with what is said in ANH) is to KILL Vader

He is now CONVINCED Anakin is dead and irredeemable AND he is able to kill him and the emperor straight up (just by focusing Leia apparently)

So, in HIS mind, Luke is superfluous. What’s Luke’s point? To kill Vader as well?

Yep

And, instead, Disney through the ENTIRE FREAKING POINT of the original trilogy out the window (again)

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Anakin is the chosen one, not Luke

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I hear people dispute this all the time but it shouldn't be a debate.

The clone wars clearly showed Anakin WAS the chosen one. The tragedy was that he had to completely fall in order to get it done. Instead of making all the light side choices he went off the beaten path but his role was still fulfilled in the end.


Was Luke a major factor? Yes, absolutely. He was a huge factor, but Anakin was the one who did it in the end.

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He is now CONVINCED Anakin is dead and irredeemable AND he is able to kill him and the emperor straight up (just by focusing Leia apparently)

So, in HIS mind, Luke is superfluous. What’s Luke’s point? To kill Vader as well

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So, is it that he had more memories of Leia than Luke in the flashback that bothers everyone? Seriously, at that point who had ObiWan had more contact and experience with Luke or Leia? Leia. He did not meet Luke for the first time until the last minute. His focus that gave him the power is simply memories of the children and his duty to both of them. There are good criticism of this series, but this is a poor one. I have seen some of these opinions on Youtube and they are just knit picking with an agenda.

Reva was terrible, there was no doubt about that... ObiWan abandoning Luke is a bit of a stretch. Even in the Lucas book about ObiWan he talks about the farther away from Luke he stayed, the safer Luke was in the end.

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Was Luke a major factor? Yes, absolutely. He was a huge factor, but Anakin was the one who did it in the end.

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Luke is not the chosen one, but he is the hero of the OT. He did what everyone was telling him he could not do and saved his father in the end. Anakin was the chosen one because he ultimately killed the Sith (Vader and Sidious).

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But do they come to that realization (in canon) before ANH and Empire? I was under the assumption they didn’t come to realize Luke wasn’t going to defeat the emperor by himself but needed Vader’s help until Luke told Yoda that Vader said he was Luke’s father.

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Yoda knows what Ezra saw in the holocrons. Both Maul and ezra visit obi-wan and talk about it to him as well, although that doesn't happen for a few more years after this show.
I'm pretty sure they know what needs to happen. I don't think they ever thought that Luke was going to become strong enough to defeat one of them, much less both his father and the emperor.
the realization that they come to is Anakin is the Chosen One still, even after all the horrible things he's done. They just didn't understand what was meant by bring balance to the force as the prophecy said, as in they didn't realize just about all of the jedi needed to get wiped out first, and then have the Sith destroyed, and that it would take 30 years for it to happen.
They might not have that complete realization right now in the timeline of this show, but that's something that should have started manifesting in this show, and then you have a season 2 where there's more dialogue between Obi-Wan and Qui-gan and Yoda about all of that, and how they realize the only way to defeat the Sith is for Anakin to do it himself, and the only way to do that is to get his children to help turn him back good. And even with that, it would be fine if Obi-Wan still said somethign like "there's no turning him back, he's pure evil now". It's fine if Obi-Wan is negative about it and has very little hope that it could happen that way. i'd expect that from him, and he gave that sentiment in the OT.




see the problem with Disney Star Wars, as i type all this nerd shite out, is that they don't understand why people love Star Wars. It's the story. The prequels weren't great, but they still told a complex story that we cared about, and that story is why i can go back and rewatch those movies and enjoy them still. Sure there's bad writing here and there and bad dialogue, but as a whole it still told the story we were looking for.
What made the Clone Wars and Rebels great is the story that unfolded in both of them. You've got grown arse adults watching a fricken cartoon and enjoying it, b/c they did a great job of continuing and expanding on the story from the prequels, leading up into the OT. And there's plenty more of that story that can be told, like everything i just mentioned about how Yoda and Obi-Wan come to realize how the prophecy will unfold and Lukes role in it. Star Wars fans would be interested in that STORY. and if you told that story well, then we wouldn't care about your shoehorned diversity side characters as long as you tell a good story. Star Wars is such a massive story to tell.

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see the problem with Disney Star Wars, as i type all this nerd shite out, is that they don't understand why people love Star Wars. It's the story. The prequels weren't great, but they still told a complex story that we cared about,

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Excellent point.

The execution of the prequels was bad at times. Jar Jar, I Hate Sand, cringey accents, etc.
But none of that detracted from the fact that the prequels were basically based on, for lack of a better word, history books. History we otherwise had never seen, and we were able to glean a lot of information out of them. People used the prequels to reconstruct the history books.

I haven't been able to do that with the sequels, and I haven't seen others do it.

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His mother is buried there is she not? if he blows up tatooine he blows up his mothers memory.

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exactly..kill the past.

Vader isn't supposed to care about Anakin's mother.

Since he wanted to destroy his past, and you have the capability to get rid of planets that you have major issue with..seems like he'd start there.

Makes more sense than Alderaan, but I get it and why it didn't happen. Vader wasn't even his father when ANH was made.