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re: These real estate markets may be on the cusp of a San Francisco-style affordability crisis

Posted on 3/18/22 at 2:06 am to
Posted by Rocky Gamucci
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Posted on 3/18/22 at 2:06 am to
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:39 am to
frick Montana is top of my list for places to move too
Posted by liz18lsu
Naples, FL
Member since Feb 2009
17367 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:44 am to
I'm in FL (gulf side) and I could easily sell my house for over $1M. But where would I go? It's stupid here, cash sales, no appraisals or inspections. People fleeing the North and foreign investors.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:57 am to
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frick Montana is top of my list for places to move too


You can buy shite in east Montana for next to nothing. If you want to live near the mountains, you're gonna have to be fairly far away from Missoula and Bozeman. Bitteroot and Paradise Valleys are *moderately* priced - ie. around 10-15k an acre, which ain't cheap, but it's not stupid expensive. Butte, Anaconda, Livingston, Ennis, Three Forks, Manhattan, and West Yellowstone are still accessible to folks who aren't coming from the coasts.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27570 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 4:07 am to
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Port Angeles? Lol.


Neah Bay rez finna eat…





Whales
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
12667 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 4:46 am to
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Expected to be 6-7 0.25% increases over the next year or so.


Wonder if Brandon can match the CD rates the Carter years provided?

Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
5085 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 5:17 am to
Amazed so many Californians are flocking to Montana when it's so vastly different in culture and climate.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 5:36 am to
They’ll frick it up like a swarm of locusts
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
29333 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 5:37 am to
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when it's so vastly different in culture


Ha! Not for long
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24195 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 5:41 am to
We've had a FLOOD of Californians here. I have zero idea how the kids in my office are going to afford to purchase a new home. I've been here for over 20 years and we moved into this house 6.5 years ago. In that time, it's basically doubled in value.

Part of our recent renovation was to put in a basement kitchen on the anticipation that our almost 11 year old won't be able to afford a house or rent when he graduates in a few years.
This post was edited on 3/18/22 at 5:45 am
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
5085 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 5:50 am to
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Ha! Not for long


Austin 2.0
Posted by Zapps4Life
Houston
Member since May 2016
294 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 6:09 am to
May never see interest rates back to 7-8% again. This country has too much debt. If interest rates were to return to these levels - that would be end game for this country, unfortunately.
Nice article explaining our predicament
U.S. Debt Clock
This post was edited on 3/18/22 at 6:11 am
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
67135 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 6:15 am to
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I'm in FL (gulf side) and I could easily sell my house for over $1M. But where would I go? It's stupid here, cash sales, no appraisals or inspections. People fleeing the North and foreign investors.


Yep. There’s nowhere to go. I’m definitely not leaving FL
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20085 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 6:20 am to
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We will be back at 7% in two years. I’m betting on it. Literally.


Im Betting on the Cowboys to win a super bowl in the next two years.



I don’t get what you are trying to do here. Are you saying 7% is an unreasonable expectation? And you ask, what’s the point? These markets are behaving less and less efficiently and some sort of correction is inevitable. It’s interesting and worth talking about.

And to the OP, I predict we see 100 year mortgages in the US in the next 10 years. People will eventually not buy property to ever own it out right, this is happening in Europe already. These types of asymmetries will still have corrections though, particularly with the increased ability to work remotely. I know this board shots on LA and MS, and I’m not saying we will see many snowbirds from Washington state, but when you can get something of similar utility for 5-10% of the cost from a place like Bellevue, WA than let’s say Gulfport, MS, eventually that will be an enticing type of move. I’m speaking generally of course. Austin is another example, there are plenty of substitutes in a 300-500 mile radius that have more to offer relative to home value. These places will continue to tax the shite out of their base and the trend is away from reinvesting in infrastructure. I believe we are finally seeing something similar beginning between the north shore and New Orleans.

We aren’t quite there yet, and I’m not saying housing markets will crash. Most of the hottest markets have industry to provide at least some support for the growth. But with the disproportionate growth rates between wages and certain local markets, there will eventually be obvious arbitrage opportunities in markets that are relatively less hot. Will be very interesting to see where this goes.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
29339 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 6:27 am to
Forget affordability issues, most of the inventory decrease is due to Californians leaving the state they fricked up to go frick up other states. Forget the border, we should have built a wall around California to keep them in.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11712 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 6:32 am to
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Paul, what’s your logic as to why they will continue to rise at the rates we’ve seen over the last few years


It was announced by the fed I believe. They're trying to combat inflation.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
5050 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 6:33 am to
houses outside the city limits of Bogalusa are going for 375k. I'm not talking listed for 375k and they actually sell for 310. I'm talking sold for 375k. Recently renovated 2200sq homes.
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
5085 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 6:46 am to
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I'm in FL (gulf side) and I could easily sell my house for over $1M. But where would I go? It's stupid here, cash sales, no appraisals or inspections


Pretty much every major city in US...
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101938 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 6:53 am to
Port Angeles?
Oak Harbor?

Neither "city" has over 25,000 people, and they aren't close enough to Seattle to truly be suburbs.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11042 posts
Posted on 3/18/22 at 7:09 am to
A lot of the crazy prices for dumps you see in CA and WA, etc is the land value not the run down house sitting on it.
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