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re: No, we should not send our military to Ukraine. But can we speak the truth?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:50 am to Slippy
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:50 am to Slippy
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This is bad. It’s bad for democracy. It’s bad for economies worldwide. It’s bad for freedom. It’s bad for civilization. There is no good way to spin this, no matter what the Putin fanboys will tell you.
If it is so bad why don't the Europeans stop it? It's their backyard, not ours.
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:50 am to upgrayedd
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Why did things pop off during Obama/Biden, go dormant under Trump, the ratchet up exponentially as soon as Biden took over?
I've asked this 4-5 times, you won't get a reply, from a D at least.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:52 am to kisatchie53
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I've asked this 4-5 times, you won't get a reply, from a D at least.
It's my 2nd time asking him directly. Crickets.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:54 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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If it is so bad why don't the Europeans stop it? It's their backyard, not ours.
Because they are also supplying Ukraine troops with weapons. Don't forget that Europe has a thriving arms/weapons manufacturering economy as well. Isn't it ironic that even if we don't send troops to fight in wars overseas the taxpayers pay the bill directly to the arms manufacturers? Do you think the common Russian or Ukrainian benefits from war? Follow the money to find out who is responsible.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:55 am to upgrayedd
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Why did things pop off during Obama/Biden, go dormant under Trump, the ratchet up exponentially as soon as Biden took over?
There are 3 possible reasons.
1. This is what you're going for, and that's based in Trump's strength and perceived response of the right-pole.
2. Trump was a puppet of Russia/Putin so there was no need, which is what left-pole will say.
3. Putin knows exactly how these polar narratives would unfold by an asymmetrical response, and the division cause is his real goal.
I say it's #3
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
On a more important note, will this affect worldwide vodka supplies and increases prices?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:00 am to Slippy
Joe Biden's authoritarianism effects me. Putin's doesn't.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:01 am to kisatchie53
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Why did things pop off during Obama/Biden, go dormant under Trump, the ratchet up exponentially as soon as Biden took over?
This is a very good question and besides that there is nothing stopping the lefties from sending their kids over there if they are so gung ho for war
Let their kids fight and die for their pudding eating, diaper wearing numbnut president
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:02 am to tigahbruh
Good post.
Shiner and Fredbear too - good thoughts.
Shiner and Fredbear too - good thoughts.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 10:05 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:05 am to Slippy
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Putin is an autocrat who rules his country with an iron fist. He is corrupt. He controls information through state media and suppresses free speech
As opposed to our own government
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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3. Putin knows exactly how these polar narratives would unfold by an asymmetrical response, and the division cause is his real goal.
I say it's #3
Are you suggesting he invaded Ukraine to split the US?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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There are 3 possible reasons.
1. This is what you're going for, and that's based in Trump's strength and perceived response of the right-pole.
2. Trump was a puppet of Russia/Putin so there was no need, which is what left-pole will say.
3. Putin knows exactly how these polar narratives would unfold by an asymmetrical response, and the division cause is his real goal.
I say it's #3
John Durham rules out #2 for anyone that has cognitive thinking ability.
The answer is 1. Trump will not be pushed around by anyone. NK, Russia, Iran, China fear Trump because he is unpredictable. Go ask Qasem Soleimani.
China Joe will absolutely get butt fricked by China and Russia and do nothing. They know this. This is the reason these events are happening under Biden.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:07 am to Slippy
Well can we bring up Ukraine’s ties to supporting neo Nazis and right wing extremists then?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:09 am to blueboxer1119
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The answer is 1. Trump will not be pushed around by anyone. NK, Russia, Iran, China fear Trump because he is unpredictable. Go ask Qasem Soleimani.
I don’t think trump would have gone to war in Ukraine. Do you? And I agree With that.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:13 am to HottyToddy7
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he is a mad man that wants to control all eastern Europe for personal gain
He’s not a mad man, Putin is just a “global elite” trying to increase his power and wealth.
He’s no different than the other (primarily western) people that a lot of folks on TD like to attach the “global elite” boogeyman moniker to
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:14 am to Slippy
Half this board drools over that communist bastard
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:15 am to BallsEleven
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All of this is true, but Ukraine needs to be responsible for Ukraine and not rely on us to fight for it.
i understand where you're coming from but do you really think ukraine can really do anything against russia?
not saying we should jump in, we've got enough of our own problems right now.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:18 am to SammyTiger
Trump had basically backed off and let Ukraine stand on it’s own which is what Putin wanted. Honestly who cares if Ukraine is in NATO or not? China Joe and his tards decided to push for Ukraine to join NATO which pissed Putin off and here we are. Then when Putin basically told everyone he was taking it back Gramps gets up there and starts talking out of his arse with his BS sanctions.
Now this clown show is in a corner. What do they do? Hopefully Putin calls it quits after he gets Ukraine and doesn’t go after a NATO country. Hope the dems and Rhinos are happy.
Now this clown show is in a corner. What do they do? Hopefully Putin calls it quits after he gets Ukraine and doesn’t go after a NATO country. Hope the dems and Rhinos are happy.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:21 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Yeah just because there was a coup that led to a regime Putin doesn’t like, that doesn’t make the US “responsible” for him invading the place
When it was the United States that backed the coup and without whose help said coup would not have been successful then yes, it does make the US “responsible for him invading the place”.
Wow your grasp of geopolitics is infantile.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:27 am to caro81
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understand where you're coming from but do you really think ukraine can really do anything against russia?
Nope and don’t care either, not our problem
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