re: No, we should not send our military to Ukraine. But can we speak the truth?

Also what does this mean for future nuclear profileration? After the collapse of the USSR both Ukraine and Kazakhstan, under international pressure, gave up all their nuclear weapons to Russia.

I don't think we will ever see a nation make such a colossal blunder again.

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I understand not liking the other political sports team,

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There is only one political sports team. You are either with them or against them.

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Yup. So is the American government since 2001. Why don’t we fix our own country before we send people to the other side of the globe.

Putin is a bad person. He’s a power hungry authoritarian socialist and his waging war shouldn’t be supported or cheered on. It’s dangerous and it’s setting up a global conflict. Those countries in Europe can fight him for a while and beat him back.

Here at home, Our government is wildly corrupt and out of control. Our society is divided and full of hatred. Our economy is circling the toilet and our workforce is apathetic and disengaged. Our manufacturing is basically dead. Our energy production and rare and precious material capacity is pathetic. Our border security is abhorrent. Our media and news agencies are nothing more than state propaganda. Let’s get a handle on the things destroying our country before we worry about other countries.

America doesn’t currently have the backbone or resources to defend the globe. We can’t even defend ourselves. We need to strategically plan how best to defend our country and how to best fight these powers. We can’t just jump into a hot war and spread out already paper thin resources into nothingness.

Why don’t we all come together and get our country under control before we divide ourselves fighting about how to handle other countries.

Maybe if we spend the next few years rebuilding this country’s independence in manufacturing and energy and production then maybe we will be prepared to fight a global threat. Maybe. At that point maybe if other countries have been fighting to keep Russia and China at bay maybe we can step in and help beat them all the way back.

We need to rebuild local and state powers. We need to reinvest in actual American jobs and growth sectors. We need to reign in the federal government. We need to end the wild spending and unnecessary outsourcing and allegiance to foreign countries.

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It’s sad this post has downvotes.

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Libya and Syria happened because of the Arab Spring not a US lead overthrow of their government.

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Some of you guys would benefit from reading a newspaper not printed in the US

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One of the most bizarre aspects of this whole thing is how some people in this country have turned into Putin fanboys and started parroting Russian talking points.

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At this point it seems like a no brainer that a lot of the ones popping off on TV making excuses for Putin have to be on the take.

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It was used to so discord and fighting among then American people. It worked. Democrats aren't Marxists and Republicans aren't Nazis

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Newsflash. CNN and every single Democrat has been engaged in this daily since 2016

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Thinking Russia invading Ukraine is because of Joe Biden is ridiculous

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How? What is he going to do about it? It might not be because of him but he certainly doesn’t respect Joe Biden, the one human with the resources that could do something about it.

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One of the most bizarre aspects of this whole thing is how some people in this country have turned into Putin fanboys and started parroting Russian talking points

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Or perhaps they recognize facts and have perspective?

1)The regions in question have been in rebellion against Ukraine for almost a decade and are 90% Russian.

2)After the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia was in a severely weakened state. Ukraine took advantage of this when carving out their borders.

3)Ukraine never existed as a country until the 1990s. Prior to that, it was part of the Russian or Soviet Empire for about half a millennium

4)Ukraine is not a part of NATO. Nothing about this invokes a NATO response, per the treaty itself.

5)It is absolutely against any and all US strategic and economic interests to involve itself in a European War. The 20th century ended over 2 decades ago.

6)Commitment to a European war will drain resources, personnel, energy, and money away from where it should be going: The Pacific and Asia. Where our real interests lie.

7) Ukraine is Russia Lite. All this talk of it being a "free country" is horseshite. It is run by kleptocrats, corrupt corporations , and organized crime.

8) Our nation has a long history of lying and propagandizing about going to war, only to have the resulting conflicts be draining, divisive, and thoroughly destructive to the people we are allegedly trying to help.

9) If you want to ensure the worst, most horrific possible outcome for Ukrainian people, make sure to have a war involving NATO versus Russia there. Their economy and society will be thoroughly destroyed, much more so than if Russia takes over a portion of their land that wanted to be separate anyway. Civilian casualties will be massive if a greater war occurs.

10) Putin is a shithead, but that doesn't mean we need to, once again, swallow, bullshite propaganda coming from our own corporate media and a government desperate to shift attention away from its own failures. I have no idea what Putin's talking points are. I just look to both history and current circumstances and see zero upside to this with massive, catastrophic downside.

11) China WILL use this to their advantage in a way that will hurt us. Portions of Ukraine becoming Russian in a regional war have zero affect on our nation, economy, or people.

12) Have we not learned ANYTHING from the questionable small conflicts of the Cold War or from the failed conflicts of the 21st century?

13) This will not be Desert Storm. It will change the fabric of our society and bring far more authoritarian responses from our government than even COVID could.

But sure...Putin fanboy. Whatever.
Try using independent thought for once.

I don't know if people don't realize or if people ignore this fact: America does much the same. We are and support rebels to overthrow governments when it suits our purpose. Once that purpose is served, we withdraw our money and support leaving them open to enemies made while serving Americas purpose. Men, women, and children die.
We attempt to hide our doings, while Putin doesn't.
I always wondered why critics labeled us as hypocrites.
I see now.
Putin has a good reason. He is protecting his border. More honorable than creating bullshite and serve to American public.