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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:22 am to cypher
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:22 am to cypher
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Source: NPC Ukrenergo’s press service
Quote: "The Russians have carried out a new massive attack on energy infrastructure facilities. Enemy missiles and drones damaged Ukrenergo’s substations and generation facilities in Odesa, Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Lviv, and Kyiv oblasts," the statement said.
The company also added that emergency outage schedules had been applied in Kharkiv Oblast. Currently, no consumption restrictions have been applied in other
I called this after the strikes on Russian oil rigs ramped up and was told I was crazy
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:23 am to VolSquatch
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called this after the strikes on Russian oil rigs ramped up and was told I was crazy
Link?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:32 am to Lee B
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I just happened to be listening to Peter Zeihan,the geopolitical expert, being interviewed.
He knows demographics and history quite well.
He knows next to ZERO about oil and gas, pipelines, refining and chemicals for starters.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:38 am to VolSquatch
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I called this after the strikes on Russian oil rigs ramped up and was told I was crazy
No prizes for being Nostradamus.
In June of 2022 I predicted that republicans would align with Russia and use support for Ukraine as a wedge political issue, and some reasonable and intelligent posters couldn’t believe that such a shift could happen.
No free coffee for getting lucky.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:44 am to StormyMcMan
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Russia wouldn't accept just those terms though
How do you know? We aren't negotiating with them. Certain Western governments undermined peace talks earlier in this conflict because they thought continuing the war could get better results. The West does not even suggest openness to settlement talks now outside of total Russian withdrawal. You don't know what agreements can be arranged if you dismiss talks out of hand. Then when you come back later due to a worsening situation on the ground, the other side is likely to give you less, just like you attempted to do when you had more leverage.
Either way, the lack of settlement talks guarantees continuation until a decisive military outcome is achieved and that can mean a lot more devastating war and unforeseen escalation and chaos. I'm not seeing how that looks beneficial at the moment unless you want direct NATO entry into the fighting, which is counterintuitive to the whole purpose of supporting Ukraine's continued resistance in the first place.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:50 am to TBoy
quote:Is it possible to not want billions thrown at Ukraine while also disliking and disapproving of Russia's invasion?
In June of 2022 I predicted that republicans would align with Russia and use support for Ukraine as a wedge political issue, and some reasonable and intelligent posters couldn’t believe that such a shift could happen.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:52 am to doubleb
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Hogwash, but then again maybe you aren’t old enough to remember Vietnam.
Born in the 80's but I'm quite familiar with Vietnam. There was a massive resistance in the United States to both the Vietnam War and the Second Iraq War. The media is in the tank for this conflict and detractors to U.S./NATO support are befuddlingly dismissed as "Pro-Putin" or "Russian agents" even though the accusations are quite illogical. The our state and intelligence narratives are pushed uncritically by the media apparatus.
And I think it's safe to say that the notion that Putin has the aspirations of an Adolf Hitler is quite a bit different than how Ho Chi Minh and Saddam Hussein were viewed/portrayed in respect to how necessary our intervention was.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:26 am to VolSquatch
Oh no, Ukraine bros!
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The largest power-generating plant in Ukraine’s Kyiv region was reportedly destroyed in a Russian missile attack on Thursday as Moscow steps up its attacks on infrastructure.
Russian shelling caused a large-scale fire at the Trypilska Thermal Power Plant (TPP), with the company still working to localize the fire in the plant’s turbine workshop, energy company Centrenergo said in a statement.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 8:33 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:31 am to GOP_Tiger
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As I have said before, I knew Mike Johnson very well when he and I were both members of Parkview Baptist Church in Baton Rouge in the early 2000s. The last in-depth conversation that I had with Mike in 2017 was about some detailed issues inside the Southern Baptist Convention. Mike cares very, very much about his fellow Baptists who face persecution around the world
A devout Southern Baptist who is going to vote for Joe Biden and bared transgender breasts on the WH lawn... that's our good mate GOPe_Tiger.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:35 am to SirWinston
ANALYSIS: Ukrainian Air Defenses Fail, Russian Ballistic, ‘Hypersonic’ Weapons Get Through
The Kremlin is ruthlessly exploiting Kyiv’s critical shortage of Patriot air interceptor missiles: Russian ballistic and “hypersonic” missiles on Thursday got through to targets mostly unscathed.
Emergency response workers respond to a victim following an April 11 Russian S-300 missile strike hitting the village Liptsy, in Ukraine’s eastern Kharkiv region. Kremlin forces used an inaccurate anti-aircraft missile to make the attack. The weapon hit a store, set fires and trapped people in collapsed debris. Image published by Ukraine’s Ministry of Emergency Situations.
A US halt to all arms supplies to Ukraine, effective since the end of December due to Congressional deadlock over foreign military aid and migration law reform has left Ukraine critically short of irreplaceable American Patriot missiles. The shortages were first reported in early January.
details of all Thursday strikes...
The Kyiv Post
The Kremlin is ruthlessly exploiting Kyiv’s critical shortage of Patriot air interceptor missiles: Russian ballistic and “hypersonic” missiles on Thursday got through to targets mostly unscathed.
Emergency response workers respond to a victim following an April 11 Russian S-300 missile strike hitting the village Liptsy, in Ukraine’s eastern Kharkiv region. Kremlin forces used an inaccurate anti-aircraft missile to make the attack. The weapon hit a store, set fires and trapped people in collapsed debris. Image published by Ukraine’s Ministry of Emergency Situations.
A US halt to all arms supplies to Ukraine, effective since the end of December due to Congressional deadlock over foreign military aid and migration law reform has left Ukraine critically short of irreplaceable American Patriot missiles. The shortages were first reported in early January.
details of all Thursday strikes...
The Kyiv Post
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 8:54 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:38 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Just checking in to make fun of you losers who thought Ukraine had a chance.
Now a generation of men have been vaporized for what?
F’n losers.
Now a generation of men have been vaporized for what?
F’n losers.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:40 am to Captain Poopie Pants
"No big deal, Ukraine can import power"
-RUlsu
-RUlsu
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:46 am to VolSquatch
quote:m
I called this after the strikes on Russian oil rigs ramped up and was told I was crazy
It was just a coincidence.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:50 am to VolSquatch
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called this after the strikes on Russian oil rigs ramped up and was told I was crazy
No you were told that energy infrastructure has been and continues to be a target for Russia regardless of Ukrainian attacks on refineries and then crawfished saying you didn't say that was the reason Russia was attacking energy infrastructure and called everyone else stupid
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:51 am to ColtRange
"Kyiv in three days"
- ColtRange
PS -- Even the doomer post quoted said they'd have energy issues... in just 6 months.
- ColtRange
PS -- Even the doomer post quoted said they'd have energy issues... in just 6 months.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 8:53 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:54 am to Lee B
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But international affairs is basically a Mafia scenario, and at the end of WWII we became the Godfather.
If we abandon that role, will the next Godfather be "better" for the world than we are? Who and Why? if you can answer that... and how will the next Godfather emerge and solidify that position? China doing it "peacefully?"
We tried the isolationist "whatever..." position and the result was Pearl Harbor and the hell that was WWII, and the devil's bargain that created the Soviet Empire in eastern Europe.
Also... you seem to miss the Russians constantly stating they will not stop with Ukraine. Pay more attention to their own statements as posted in this thread.
The international arena has no single overarching authority. This makes it relatively anarchical. Sometimes there are periods where a single state entity has a domination of power but they are usually short lived. The U.S. stepped into the role of hegemon at the end of WWII because the British Empire collapsed as a result of its participation in the conflict. The British entered the war in order to protect their relative power and in the end defeated the state they thought threatened their position as hegemonic power and then completely lost their geopolitical position as such as a result. The British Empire disintegrated as a result of the war. This should prove a significant warning for us but we typically don't see these lessons because of our simplistic narrative surrounding the World Wars.
The U.S. also had to fill this role because the Soviet Union became an existential threat to all of Western Civilization as a result of their massive ascent in power stemming from the Second World War. We actually helped to turn them into this fearsome beast. Another "unintended consequence" of warfare. Keep in mind that those seem to occur over and over. We fought to ostensibly eliminate a threat to Europe (though preservation of the power balance was the true motive) and created an even stronger threat that now occupied all the countries whose sovereignty was the casus belli for Britain's war entry.
If you think the United States can remain the single global hegemonic power into perpetuity you have an ignorance of history and common sense. Our Founders rightly warned against these ambitions. 1945-1991 provided a unique context in which actively partaking in this role was sensible for the United States and I think it can be argued that it was also quite harmful to our society in many ways as a result. The world has been multipolar for the vast majority of civilization and is currently so. If you think the United States should start intervening militarily and politically in other state's affairs merely to preserve our position as hegemonic power (or to maintain our current relative power position) then you are actually promoting a fundamental disrespect of the principle of national sovereignty and reciprocity and an imperialistic foreign policy. I don't believe this course to be particularly sound, moral, or sustainable and will lead to more war and chaos, including domestic.
And I unequivocally reject your premise that "isolationism" is what caused WWII or created the Soviet Empire and their control of half of Europe. I also reject the false premise that anything short of active U.S. involvement in global international conflicts that do not have a vital national interest to the United States constitutes "isolationism" but it sure is as popular as ever in its rhetorical usage to dismiss policy detractors.
And as for the Russians' true ambitions, how about instead of assuming they will invade NATO, we respond in the instance that they actually do invade NATO, instead of facilitating a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's kind of the whole point of the institution, no? You would think if this threat was so serious we would see levels of rearmament in Europe not seen since the late 1930's, but we don't. I also don't assume the Russians are irrational actors since war with NATO offers no path to victory for them and would put them at extreme risk of nuclear annihilation.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:00 am to ChewyDante
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Born in the 80's but I'm quite familiar with Vietnam. There was a massive resistance in the United States to both the Vietnam War and the Second Iraq War
In Vietnam we had boots in the ground for over five years before the anti war movement picked up steam.
There wasn’t near the outage for Iraq 2 as there was for Vietnam.
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And I think it's safe to say that the notion that Putin has the aspirations of an Adolf Hitler is quite a bit different than how Ho Chi Minh and Saddam Hussein were viewed/portrayed in respect to how necessary our intervention was.
Putin like Hitler believes the opposition nations are weak and will fold. Putin like Hitler negotiates in bad faith. Putin like Hitler murders his political enemies.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:03 am to doubleb
Jay in Kyiv
@JayinKyiv
Unprecedented.
Due to unrelenting Russian missile massacres in Ukraine, EU Parliament spontaneously and overwhelmingly votes to freeze government until 7 Patriot missile batteries are delivered to Kyiv.
This while the US has totally walked away from the democratic world.
overwhelming majority...
@JayinKyiv
Unprecedented.
Due to unrelenting Russian missile massacres in Ukraine, EU Parliament spontaneously and overwhelmingly votes to freeze government until 7 Patriot missile batteries are delivered to Kyiv.
This while the US has totally walked away from the democratic world.
overwhelming majority...
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:04 am to cypher
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The Kremlin is ruthlessly exploiting Kyiv’s critical shortage of Patriot air interceptor missiles
Son of a bitch. Guess Zelenskyy should have defended Trump a little more passionately when the Dems impeached him over the phone call.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:10 am to StormyMcMan
Stormy McCain so heckin mad rn
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