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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:25 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:25 am to StormyMcMan
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They've been doing it since 2022
We know.
If I run 3 miles per day in 2023 and 7 in 2024, I increased the distance I'm running. It doesn't mean I wasn't running in 2023.
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:33 am to cypher
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They ran out of kindergartens to target.
Original stuff...maybe stop using them as barracks?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:38 am to cypher
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They ran out of kindergartens to target.
So they can't hit huge power plants and are incompetent, but they can target a kindergarten
Its like those people who claim Biden is this evil satanic NWO plant with a devious plan, then also claim he is incompetent.... it can't really be both, can it?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:07 pm to VolSquatch
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Its like those people who claim Biden is this evil satanic NWO plant with a devious plan, then also claim he is incompetent.... it can't really be both, can it?
Everybody who is sharp enough to see the Matrix is also sharp enough to see that Biden is an empty vessel who is being used by those in control.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:13 pm to VolSquatch
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Its like those people who claim Biden is this evil satanic NWO plant with a devious plan, then also claim he is incompetent.... it can't really be both, can it?
NOBODY claims Biden is the brains behind anything. He’s the vegetable puppet.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:14 pm to ColtRange
All of the guys in that picture are probably dead or maimed.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:17 pm to VolSquatch
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So they can't hit huge power plants and are incompetent, but they can target a kindergarten
You guys need to get your stories straight.
Russia can’t be such bad shots and they can’t be such good shots to hit a faux Kindergarden.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:17 pm to doubleb
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Day one of the war Russia had every opportunity to crush Ukraine’s infrastructure
I believe they didn't because they thought Ukraine would cave like they did in Crimea and didn't want to destroy the infrastructure just to have to replace it. Different story as time went on
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:19 pm to VolSquatch
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We know.
If I run 3 miles per day in 2023 and 7 in 2024, I increased the distance I'm running. It doesn't mean I wasn't running in 2023
You literally just asked why Russia wasn't attacking Ukraines power infrastructure a month or a year ago....you aren't making any sense
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:23 pm to StormyMcMan
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You literally just asked why Russia wasn't attacking Ukraines power infrastructure a month or a year ago....you aren't making any sense
That specific plant, not the whole grid or even just other parts of it.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:29 pm to VolSquatch
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That specific plant, not the whole grid or even just other parts of it.
What do you think "Russias been targeting Ukraines power infrastructure since 2022" means if you don't think it means attacking "other parts of it" and how do you know they haven't targeted the plant in Kyiv and weren't successful?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:30 pm to doubleb
Thanks.
There was no need to crush the infrastructure. Initially Putin thought he could achieve a quick military victory without turning cities to rubble. It took the first half of 2022 for him to realize his miscalculation.
As a result of russia not being able to achieve quick success on the battlefield, he implemented a strategy of terrorizing the Ukrainian population with missiles to break their will. Kyiv was first struck in June 2022.
By the winter of 2022-2023 there were large missile strikes resulting in much of Ukraine losing power. He hoped the timing would result in maximum terror effect due to winter conditions. During this time one tactic for implementing this terrorism strategy was targeting substations and distribution nodes. The Ukrainians did not fold and this tactic had limited success due to 2 things. First, the arrival of Patriots and other air defense systems. Secondly, the Ukrainians were supplied with generators and were able to repair their grid.
Something else to consider related to Putin's initial miscalculation. He did not anticipate the need for a large number of long range missiles to conquer Ukraine.
I remember around mid 2022 when Putin first targeted civilians with missiles that it was reported that russia had certain numbers of missiles stockpiled and some speculation as to how long they would last. Some time after that we started seeing reports that russia was ramping up new missile production which would allow them to increase the attacks. Recently Ukrainians have retrieved evidence from shot down missiles that the missiles are newly manufactured. So I think they have successfully increased their production and it is a matter of increased supply on hand.
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Day one of the war Russia had every opportunity to crush Ukraine’s infrastructure.
There was no need to crush the infrastructure. Initially Putin thought he could achieve a quick military victory without turning cities to rubble. It took the first half of 2022 for him to realize his miscalculation.
As a result of russia not being able to achieve quick success on the battlefield, he implemented a strategy of terrorizing the Ukrainian population with missiles to break their will. Kyiv was first struck in June 2022.
By the winter of 2022-2023 there were large missile strikes resulting in much of Ukraine losing power. He hoped the timing would result in maximum terror effect due to winter conditions. During this time one tactic for implementing this terrorism strategy was targeting substations and distribution nodes. The Ukrainians did not fold and this tactic had limited success due to 2 things. First, the arrival of Patriots and other air defense systems. Secondly, the Ukrainians were supplied with generators and were able to repair their grid.
Something else to consider related to Putin's initial miscalculation. He did not anticipate the need for a large number of long range missiles to conquer Ukraine.
I remember around mid 2022 when Putin first targeted civilians with missiles that it was reported that russia had certain numbers of missiles stockpiled and some speculation as to how long they would last. Some time after that we started seeing reports that russia was ramping up new missile production which would allow them to increase the attacks. Recently Ukrainians have retrieved evidence from shot down missiles that the missiles are newly manufactured. So I think they have successfully increased their production and it is a matter of increased supply on hand.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:33 pm to VolSquatch
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Yeah I'm sure they invaded Ukraine because they have the same geopolitical philosophy and fears that they did when Napoleon was ruling France.
My sarcasm detector can't parse how you're stating this, but they actually DO!
How else do you explain all the "Russian Security" mantras about why they have to reclaim their empire.
Even the resources in Ukraine are generally things Russia already has plenty of... (other than young fertile women and children).
I remember a college history teacher, when we got to WWII, saying "where other countries have mountains and rivers for defense, Russia doesn't, so it has relied on mountains of bodies of its peasants and rivers of their blood to stop invaders." Then he had a slide show about how the NAZIs would break through the Russian defensive line and encircle Russian troops and kill them all... and in every other country in Europe that was that, that country was conquered... but in Russia, another wave of soldiers were just thrown at the area of the breakthrough and the Germans were pushed back... particularly at Stalingrad, which is when the US noticed "oh boy... we're in trouble when this is over..." and started plotting how to restructure Europe after the war...
So, this is the Russian mindset... only they're suffering a big demographic doomsday on the horizon and running out of bodies to build mountains.
Putin is paranoid and he believes he is the center of the universe, any global event is taken to be about him, personally... any revolution anywhere or political situation anywhere is the CIA trying to get him and NATO preparing to march to Moscow.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:49 pm to VolSquatch
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Warm water ports
This reason above all else, by quite a bit
Well, yes... but at the permission of NATO-member Turkey for access... ???
Syria seems more important on that front, and is why they're trying to keep Assad in power, there.
But really, same thing... defense and security, right? They're trying to make sure neighboring countries are under their control for their security reasons.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:06 pm to CitizenK
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I just happened to be listening to Peter Zeihan,the geopolitical expert, being interviewed.
He knows demographics and history quite well.
He knows next to ZERO about oil and gas, pipelines, refining and chemicals for starters.
I can see him getting a little out of his lane on some of that stuff... but doesn't he make his living advising people in a lot of those fields? But I guess they just welcome outside perspectives and correct the mistakes.
I've thought he was always hyperbolic with his conclusions, but I kind of chucked that up to "Click Bait title/headline disease" which has infected everyone in this media environment...
I don't know how to take his conclusion that China will basically cease to function in 10 years... only whenever I see someone in his field arguing against that I look at their other stuff and find that they are pretty much paid China cheerleaders who preach that China will take over the world because they're so smart and awesome. His takes seem a lot more realistic than those...
His takes on the NSA are interesting and funny... "the world's absolute best hackers, bar none... so good they're never in the news or having our government brag about how good they are, like the Russians and Chinese, who actually pretty bad and just pull publicity stunts."
According to him, "Iran supplied the Houthis (people who mostly live without electricity) with modern missile systems, and feed them coordinates over cell phones to enter for naval targets. If you look back to the last couple of attacks from the Houthis, whose ships did they hit? Ha HA HA!... that's the NSA..."
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:11 pm to StormyMcMan
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how do you know they haven't targeted the plant in Kyiv and weren't successful?
If we are going to play that game, how do you know their success here doesn't mean they have escalated efforts to hit their infrastructure?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:12 pm to Lee B
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Putin is paranoid and he believes he is the center of the universe, any global event is taken to be about him, personally... any revolution anywhere or political situation anywhere is the CIA trying to get him and NATO preparing to march to Moscow.
If this is true, he is going to eventually use nukes anyway
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:22 pm to VolSquatch
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If this is true, he is going to eventually use nukes anyway
And this is why his downfall has to be managed very carefully
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:28 pm to ChewyDante
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Either way, the lack of settlement talks guarantees continuation until a decisive military outcome is achieved and that can mean a lot more devastating war and unforeseen escalation and chaos. I'm not seeing how that looks beneficial at the moment unless you want direct NATO entry into the fighting, which is counterintuitive to the whole purpose of supporting Ukraine's continued resistance in the first place.
This war will go on until Russia runs out of bodies to throw into it or it causes their political order to unravel and the people revolt... this is Russia's Afghanistan Intervention all over again...
It will probably go on until 2037... if Russia should prevail sooner than that, then they invade Moldova... then Lithuania, and that's when shite really gets dicey.
This is just a battle in a War, and it will not be settled nice and tidy so people can go back to not worrying about it. It's going to be a long haul, one way or another.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:29 pm to ColtRange
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They ran out of kindergartens to target. Original stuff...maybe stop using them as barracks?
Using schools in as a barracks or other military purpose is perfectly ok and legitimate military targets in the battlefield area. Schools are not military targets in cities like Odessa, Lviv, Kyiv, etc that are not in the battlefield area and are not being used for military purposes. There are countless examples throughout this thread of Russia striking schools outside of the battlefield area. So you can take your bs and shove up your Putin loving hairy a-hole.
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