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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3176 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:50 pm to
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That right there just proves the lack of proper training in Russia wether it be military or civil aviation. That mistake by the IL-76 pilot is basic airmanship, things you learn when you’re just starting to fly to get your private pilot license much less a guy that is certified to fly heavy aircraft like the one that crashed. He should have known just from his glide path that he would need to do a go around even before he crossed the beginning of the runway. You can go full reverse thrust and all the brake you want but something that big and heavy still needs a long way to stop. Just absolute shitty airmanship and it looks like it cost the flight crew their lives for it.


Vodka.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19810 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:55 pm to
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Wagner goes boom in Mali
Plane carrying mercenaries.
Probably cut the brake lines.
Putin don't play.


Have to look at the tires closely. Did they look like they were braking hard? Looks like a good bit of tire smoke, so it seems that the brakes were working.

This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 3:57 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
773 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 5:20 pm to
After seeing various claims of Ukraine stepping up operations around Verbove I have still not seen much regarding this from either side which is unusual - the side on the receiving end usually quickly refutes that it has been successful.


The only substantial thing I have found has been from Tartarigami which is uses satellite imagery to note how artillery fire appears to have shifted in that direction, indicating Ukraine has moved forward.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1707058241396408743

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Given recent talks in russian Telegram groups about supposed increased pressure from Ukrainian forces, I conducted a visual comparison of images taken on the 24th and 27th of September. Here, I noted distinctions and identified clear patterns.




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As you can see, a number of fresh scorch marks have emerged in recent days. It appears that new visible alterations have occurred to the east and southeast of Novoprokopivka. This aligns with recent reports of Ukrainian Forces activity in the vicinity of Novoprokopivka.




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Another important development is taking place in the Nove-Solodka Balka-Pshenychne triangle. Numerous recent marks in the region suggest that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have substantially intensified their pressure on more remote defenses.




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Scorch marks themselves don't confirm the presence or absence of troops; instead, they indicate areas affected by shelling or hostilities. September, being the driest period in the region, makes grass susceptible to catching fire.




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In summary, while occasional anomalies may arise in the imagery analysis, a clear trend shows fires shifting toward Ocheretuvate and Nove. However, this pattern only shows a progression of fires and should not be used as an indicator of territorial control or a breakthrough.


Also it looks like Tatarigami is starting his own analysis group. While he is in AFU which means most of his efforts focus from the perspective, he has generally been fairly objective in reporting this information through the war. I will be interested to see what his new group does as it sounds like they are looking at conflicts in general rather than Ukraine specific (though this will of course still feature).

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1707419976406028356
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18018 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:47 pm to
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While he is in AFU


I mean ... he was, but he's clearly not fighting along the front now and hasn't been since defending Vuhledar this past winter. He must now have some kind of HQ job, if he's still serving and hasn't served out his time and gone back to civilian life.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
773 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 6:57 pm to
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I mean ... he was, but he's clearly not fighting along the front now and hasn't been since defending Vuhledar this past winter. He must now have some kind of HQ job, if he's still serving and hasn't served out his time and gone back to civilian life.



I thought he was part of the reserves? Though it's been awhile since I checked his situation in that regard.
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
1120 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:41 pm to
Russian vs Ukrainian territorial gains
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"Less territory changed hands in August than in any other month of the war," the newspaper said, based on its analysis of data from the Institute for the Study of War. While Ukraine made small gains in the south, Russia took slightly more land overall, mostly in the northeast.

Overall, Russia has gained 331 square miles while Ukraine has gained 143 square miles compared with the start of this year. The Russian net gain of 183 square miles is smaller than either New York City or Kyiv.

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25907 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:01 am to







If you want to watch the full segment:

Youtube: Russian Media Monitor
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 1:04 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2625 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:08 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
29 September 2023

In recent weeks, up to hundreds of fighters formerly associated with the Wagner Group private military company (PMC) have likely started to redeploy to Ukraine as individuals and small groups, fighting for a variety of pro-Russian units.

Wagner withdrew from combat operations in Ukraine by early June 2023, prior to the abortive mutiny of 24 June 2023, and the subsequent death of Wagner owner Yevgeny Prigozhin and other senior leaders in a plane crash on 23 August 2023.

The exact status of the redeploying personnel is unclear, but it is likely individuals have transferred to parts of the official Russian Ministry of Defence forces and other PMCs. Several reports suggest a concentration of Wagner veterans around Bakhmut: their experience is likely to be particularly in demand in this sector. Many will be familiar with current front line and local Ukrainian tactics, having fought over the same terrain last
winter.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3751 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:33 am to
ISW Update

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Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 28. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in the Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) direction and in the Bakhmut direction.[1] The “Storm Ossetia” and “Alania” volunteer battalions claimed that unspecified sources continue to spread false information about a Ukrainian breakthrough in the Robotyne-Verbove area, possibly referring to a fringe Russian milblogger’s claims on September 22 and 23 that Ukrainian forces advanced into Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv)

Russian forces have reduced the tempo of their localized offensive operations on the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line in recent days. Russian and Ukrainian officials are increasingly reporting fewer Russian ground attacks in the Kupyansk and Lyman directions, indicating that Ukrainian offensive operations have drawn Russian forces away from the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line and significantly degraded the Russian offensive effort on this line

Russian aviation is increasingly active in the Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Kherson oblasts and apparently less active in areas of western Zaporizhia Oblast where Ukrainian forces are conducting counteroffensive operations. Russian forces have been increasingly conducting airstrikes against targets in the west (right) bank of Kherson Oblast and against rear Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) in the Kupyansk direction in the past week.[8] Ukrainian Eastern Group of Forces Spokesperson Captain Ilya Yevlash stated on September 28 that Russian Su-35 attack aircraft and Ka-52 helicopters are increasingly active in the Kupyansk and Lyman directions and that Russian forces conducted 21 airstrikes in these directions, primarily near the Siversk (19km south of Kreminna) and the Serebryanske forest area (11km south of Kreminna)

The decreased Russian aviation use in western Zaporizhia Oblast has not seriously undermined the Russian defense, however, as Russian forces appear to have increased their use of strike drones against advancing Ukrainian forces, and Russian artillery units continue to play a significant role in repelling Ukrainian assaults. It remains unclear what Russian forces intend to achieve with increased aviation activity in Kherson Oblast and whether more airstrikes against Ukrainian targets in the Kupyansk and Lyman directions will be able to offset degraded Russian combat power in the area.

Russian forces conducted a series of drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of September 27 to 28. The Ukrainian General Staff reported on September 28 that Ukrainian air defenses downed 31 of 39 Russian-launched Shahed drones over Ukraine on the night of September 27 to 28 and three out of five Shahed drones on September 27.[13] The Ukrainian Air Force reported that Russian forces launched the drones from Primorsko-Akhtarsk, Krasnodar Krai, and occupied Crimea.

Several Russian milbloggers claimed that they self-censor the majority of their reporting amidst an apparent wider self-censorship in Russian reporting about the tactical realities on certain sectors of the front. Some notably critical Russian milbloggers claimed that they only publish five to 15 percent of the amount of information they receive.[17] One milblogger claimed that problems with communications, drones, tires, electronic warfare (EW), personnel payments, and various other issues persist among Russian forces on the frontline but that Russian personnel attempt to mitigate these problems through connections and personal initiatives, likely, according to the milblogger, because Russian commanders routinely silence complaints and ignore efforts to fix problems

The Russian State Duma adopted a bill in its first reading that criminalizes promoting and justifying extremism, likely to encourage self-censorship in the Russian information space.[24] The bill amends a current Russian law that punishes inciting extremism with a fine of up to 300,000 rubles (about $3,100) and up to four years in prison.[25] The amendment would also increase the imprisonment term to five years for calling for, promoting, or justifying extremism online.[26] Russian authorities arrested former Russian officer and ardent nationalist Igor Girkin on July 21 on extremism charges and likely intends to use the proposed expansion of the law on extremism to encourage self-censorship among more figures disseminating criticisms of the Kremlin in the Russian information space.[27]

Russian President Vladimir Putin signaled his support for Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov during a meeting on September 28 amid continued speculations about Kadyrov’s health and public backlash against the recent behavior of Kadyrov’s son. Putin praised the claimed successes of Chechen forces in Ukraine and Kadyrov’s leadership of Chechnya during the meeting.

The Russian information space continued to criticize the Armenian leadership and lament Russia’s perceived decreased influence in Armenia. Imprisoned ardent nationalist and former Russian officer Igor Girkin called the Russian peacekeeping contingent in Nagorno-Karabakh “pathetic” on September 27 for attempting to undertake “imperial functions” without the “ability and willingness” to support peacekeeping operations.[32] Girkin also claimed that Russian peacekeeping forces would have suffered defeat if they had intervened in the recent fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh.[33] A Russian milblogger criticized the Armenian government for not intervening in Nagorno-Karabakh.[34] Another Russian source claimed that Russia has lost a “frozen conflict” that it can leverage and that the disappearance of a breakaway republic in Russia’s supposed sphere of influence is directly connected to decreasing Russian international influence.[35]

Senior NATO and Western defense officials met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv on September 28 to discuss Ukraine’s military needs.[36] NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, UK Defense Secretary Grant Shapps, and French Defense Minister Sebastien Lecornu discussed defensive cooperation and strengthening Ukrainian air defenses with Zelensky.


Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3751 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:34 am to
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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 28.

Russian forces have reduced the tempo of their localized offensive operations on the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line in recent days.

Russian aviation is increasingly active in Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Kherson oblasts and apparently less active in areas of western Zaporizhia Oblast where Ukrainian forces are conducting counteroffensive operations.

Russian forces conducted a series of drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of September 27 to 28.

Several Russian milbloggers claimed that they self-censor the majority of their reporting amidst an apparent wider self-censorship in Russian reporting about the tactical realities on certain sectors of the front.

The Russian State Duma adopted a bill in its first reading that criminalizes promoting and justifying extremism, likely to encourage self-censorship in the Russian information space.

Russian President Vladimir Putin signaled his support for Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov during a meeting on September 28 amid continued speculations about Kadyrov’s health and public backlash against the recent behavior of Kadyrov’s son.

The Russian information space continued to criticize Armenian leadership and lament Russia’s perceived decreased influence in Armenia.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations on the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and did not make confirmed gains.

Russian sources stated that the Russian Aerospace (VKS) Forces received a new batch of fifth-generation Su-57 stealth fighter and fourth-generation Su-35S air defense fighter aircraft on September 28.

Ukrainian Mariupol Mayoral Advisor Petro Andryushchenko stated on September 28 that Ukrainian partisans set fire to a Russian military facility in occupied Yalta, Donetsk Oblast (21km southwest of Mariupol).
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23897 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:26 am to
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If you want to watch the full segment:

I just came here to post that video. The Russians, through their own state media, are speaking openly about their intention to move on through Ukraine and other countries to build a new Russian empire. They have the same intention as every other military empire building lunatic throughout history.

What’s so offensive about the right wing anti-Ukraine crowd is that they also can see from Russia exactly what Russia intends to do. They are supporting and facilitating an actual fascist empire building effort that is going on in the world right now. This isn’t a video game.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8112 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:27 am to
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After seeing various claims of Ukraine stepping up operations around Verbove I have still not seen much regarding this from either side which is unusual - the side on the receiving end usually quickly refutes that it has been successful.

Usually, when the hype train gets quiet, it's a sign that things didn't progress for Ukraine.

And, it has to be said, the current offensive (after 3 months) is looking like it's culminated with limited gains.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9698 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:39 am to
It looks like Russia moved much of its Black Sea Fleet out of Sevastopol, to Feodosia and Novorossiysk. Tents over the constructive total loss sub in drydock.

LINK
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 7:41 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36294 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:03 am to
Russia was afraid Ukraine would join NATO not because NATO is an offensive threat, but because once Ukraine joined NATO Russia knew they could never get Ukraine back.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36294 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:08 am to
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What’s so offensive about the right wing anti-Ukraine crowd is that they also can see from Russia exactly what Russia intends to do


That crowd here is really anti US, and oppose anything the US does.

There is some justification for some of this, but they go way over the top supporting Putin and Russia.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36294 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:10 am to
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Usually, when the hype train gets quiet, it's a sign that things didn't progress for Ukraine.


I agree and on the flip side it is quiet on the anti Ukraine side too. They get lathered up when it appears Ukraine did something big.
Posted by Figureitoutfboy
Member since May 2023
62 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:17 am to
Russian Empire is what communists fought against. Soviets created the Ukrainian construct.

The country took a very odd shape due to war and communist moves. It's not unlike what British did in Iraq, setting them up for failure a sectarian wars.

This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 8:18 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9698 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:41 am to
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The country took a very odd shape due to war and communist moves. It's not unlike what British did in Iraq, setting them up for failure a sectarian wars.


History tells a different story
Posted by LSUTitan99
Member since Jun 2023
1479 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 9:06 am to
The good news is Trump is favored to win in 24 so we can stop wasting money, supplies, etc.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3217 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 9:17 am to
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The good news is Trump is favored to win in 24 so we can stop wasting money, supplies, etc.



So you're ok with our country breaking the promise we made to help defend Ukraine in exchange for them surrendering their nukes...

Or maybe you are ok with making promises as a country with no intent of keeping it if it becomes necessary to fulfill that promise...

Interesting...

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