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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/29/23 at 9:25 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 9:25 am to
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The good news is Trump is favored to win in 24 so we can stop wasting money, supplies, etc.


In two interviews he said that he would give Ukraine the most modern weapons and more than they could use, not retired weapons
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:13 pm to
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Wasn’t Trump quoted as saying that if Putin didn’t didn’t agree to a deal he would give Ukraine even more aid?



Seems like the kind of deal Trump would make.
Posted by SlimCharles
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:59 pm to
Ukraine continues to do evacuations with 4 guys carrying 1 guy and getting everyone killed. This is the 2nd or 3rd video of FPV or artillery killing them this week:



https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/16vjjom/ru_pov_group_of_ukrainian_infantry_evacuating_a/
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:25 pm to
There are a lot of those going the other way too.

I wonder how many casualties will be attributed to suicide drones or bomber drones?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:29 pm to
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Ukraine continues to do evacuations with 4 guys carrying 1 guy and getting everyone killed. This is the 2nd or 3rd video of FPV or artillery killing them this week:


Casevac is tough and sometimes costly. It gives the enemy a focal point. On the whole it is a positive because the vast majority of casevac situations don't result in further injuries.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:41 pm to
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I wonder how many casualties will be attributed to suicide drones or bomber drones?


Been looking at the Ukrainian weekly reports (drone report and overall report) for the last several weeks. They indicate that a very significant percentage of the russian armor that was destroyed during this time frame was due to drones. However, I have not been able to directly compare personnel losses.
Posted by LSUnation78
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:50 pm to
Correct…

Which also makes zelensky criticism even stranger. If Donald’s plan doesn’t work… he would get everything.



So, why was midget mad
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:52 pm to
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So, why was midget mad


You mean Putin, who is shorter than Zelensky?
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 4:11 pm to
Russia being Russia. They shot down one of their own Su-35 fighters. Idiots.

LINK
Posted by BoardReader
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 4:40 pm to
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What’s so offensive about the right wing anti-Ukraine crowd is that they also can see from Russia exactly what Russia intends to do.



They simply are not right wing; they are ideologically disposed to oppose American national interest, and back hostile foreign powers.

The American Right has acknowledged and measured the Russian threat far more consistently and adequately for over a century now, than anyone else-- these pro-Russian people are just part of the populist dregs that have more akin to the WWE fan base than Conservative politics. Never mistake the later, for the former.
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 4:41 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 4:41 pm to
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Russia being Russia. They shot down one of their own Su-35 fighters. Idiots.


Russian stupidity is Ukraine's greatest ally.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:00 pm to
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Casevac is tough and sometimes costly. It gives the enemy a focal point. On the whole it is a positive because the vast majority of casevac situations don't result in further injuries.
The biggest positive is the fact that soldiers know their guys will come for them if they're the casualty. Who wants to take point if you know that if you're hit you'll be left alone to bleed out? It's the reason we make such a big deal about 'never leave a fallen comrade' and will risk, and sometimes take, multiple casualties to recover one man.

In other words, the guy you replied to is an idiot and doesn't know anything about soldiers or soldiering.
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 5:19 pm
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:06 pm to
And?

Where did i say anything positive about putin? Where did i even mention him?

My question remains. His objection to trumps comments makes no sense. He either wants all the weapons or not.
Posted by ImaObserver
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:15 pm to
Pavel Gubarev defines Russia's goals
LINK
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:21 pm to
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They have the same intention as every other military empire building lunatic throughout history.

They're not trying to build an empire simply for the sake of empire. When the Soviet Union fell they lost all of their geographic blocking positions. What they're trying to do is reestablish those positions. They already got Crimea back in 2014, giving them command of the Black Sea. Now they're going for the Polish Gap/Northern European Plain and Bessarabian Gap to defend themselves against any potential aggression by Western Europe and a re-emerging Turkey, who is set to become a major player again. This is why Russia maintains forces in Transnistria, Armenia, Georgia, and Kazakhstan.

Their problem is that they're sitting on a mountain of natural resources (oil, gas, minerals, timber, water, etc) that all of their neighbors covet. They also realize that, due to their demographic collapse, this will be the last time that they have enough young men to attempt to reestablish those geographic blocking positions. If they fail, they're literally surrounded by hyenas that will take it all unless they're willing to use nukes. They will lack the conventional forces to defend their vast borders.

Western Europe, particularly Germany, will want the oil and gas. Japan will need oil and gas too, so will probably retake Sakhalin Island. China will want Outer Manchuria back after it was stolen from them at gunpoint by Russia in 1853 when they were tied up in the Opium Wars. China also needs more fresh water for the northwest provinces, so Lake Baikal, which contains one fifth of the world's fresh water, will be on the table as well. Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan will take their share of the Russian wheat belt, and Turkey will either take what they want in the Caucasus, or make a deal to purchase it bargain basement prices in exchange for not taking it outright.

Either way you slice it, this is Russia's last conventional war. I don't agree with all of the actual cash that we've been sending, but if we can sufficiently degrade Russia's offensive military capability with some hand-me-down equipment, I'm all for it. In fact, once Russia is incapable of waging war, that would be the perfect time to politely exit NATO and let Europe go back to providing for their own defense instead of putting it on the backs of American taxpayers while they spend their own money on lavish social programs.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8599 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:22 pm to
Russia has all but stopped operating their Ka-52 attack choppers in the Zaporizhzhia region because Ukraine was slaughtering them. There’s reports they could be down to only 25 or so of those helicopters left from the 110 they started the war with.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:22 pm to
Good grief, I pointed out who the midget really is, nothing more
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:32 pm to
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They're not trying to build an empire simply for the sake of empire. When the Soviet Union fell they lost all of their geographic blocking positions.


Yet European nations posed ZERO threat to their soil, but wanted to be clients for them to sell resources too.

Russia fricked all of that up. They even planned Nordstream to potentially use as economic blackmail. Germany played right into their paws. So did the Dutch by shutting the largest gas field in Europe because a few farmhouses developed cracks in their walls. Supporting the Green Party all these years paid real dividends to Russia. Then the Green Party flipped on them due their full scale invasion last year.

China wants Russia's natural gas so much that a pipeline proposed in 2005 MIGHT finally move off of dead center, but the Chinese economy is doing more than slowing.

Russian farmland is not that productive, it's just that there is a so much of it.
Posted by TBoy
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Member since Dec 2007
28570 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:36 pm to
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The American Right has acknowledged and measured the Russian threat far more consistently and adequately for over a century now, than anyone else-- these pro-Russian people are just part of the populist dregs that have more akin to the WWE fan base than Conservative politics. Never mistake the later, for the former.

I consider this a spot on true statement. I agree with you. However, the WWE crowd now has power at the highest levels of the Republican Party. I wish it was not the case, but it is at this time. Hopefully, things will change soon.

Back to the latest news.

Russian media reports a fire at an electrical substation in Bryansk region of Russia. Twitter link

Reports of an explosion, but no idea how it happened. They are getting very jumpy.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:55 pm to
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Pavel Gubarev defines Russia's goals LINK


If nothing else this guy Pavel Gubarev proves the effectiveness of propaganda and indoctrination on the feeble mind.
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 6:56 pm
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