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re: Do you embrace battery powered cars or will you use an ICE powered car to the bitter end?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:55 pm to HubbaBubba
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:55 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:I've commented on them several times in this very thread, with the general theme being I think they probably shouldn't buy an EV right now if charging would be a pain. Really simple stuff here.
You ignore the millions of people who live in apartments.
quote:Why not? If the rate of adoption keeps up, apartments with EV chargers could make more money.
I don't know too many landlords who are going to put in charging stations
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Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:55 pm to HubbaBubba
Getting a 220V line for a charger is not THAT big of a deal for a house. For apartments you have a better point though as you mentioned it is going to happen eventually.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:39 pm to Giantkiller
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Embrace. Sorry dude, it's coming. Suck it up.
And this is the problem with this technology and its stalwarts (mostly leftists it seems).
"You're going to take this technology and buy it whether you like it or not."
frick. You.
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Teslas are cool as shite.
WTF does that have to do with anything regarding their affordability, true sustainability, or voluntary market share based on consumer demand?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:47 pm to Korkstand
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Yeah, so? Do you still not recognize the advantage to shifting to sources of energy that are not so dependent o
There was a time not so long ago under a recent president that we were no longer dependent upon global imports. Yes we still imported some different flavors of crude but we were also exporting enough of our own stocks we were net positive.
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And what I'm trying to point out, and which you aren't grasping, is there is a monumental difference between buying international supplies so that you can be self-sustaining vs. investing in a vehicle which makes you reliant on international energy markets for its entire useful life.
And you're losing people here. The EV is not "self sustaining". The battery packs have a finite life. The battery packs are very expensive to replace, so much so, it can total the vehicle.
Again, the American O&G market can be self sustaining if we don't have shite for brains leaders in office directing crappy policy.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:47 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
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Till you are an old man with bad knees/hips stuck in rush hour traffic on hilly roads. Then you will go find you an A/T for a daily driver.
By then, my daily driver will be a golf cart.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:50 pm to AndyCBR
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And this is the problem with this technology and its stalwarts (mostly leftists it seems).
There's absolutely no advantage that I can think of for me to own an EV. Maybe 20 years from now the technology will have advanced enough to compell me to consider owning one.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:52 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:bullshite. Everyone there’s a moron liberal administration they start this shite so their families become even bigger multimillionaires through the scam of climate change.
Gasoline stations will be disappearing, replaced by charging stations
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:02 pm to tigergirl10
Vehicle replacement cycles aren't particularly short for most people. The average age of a car on the road is like 11 years. It will take 20-30 years for EVs to replace a reasonable amount of ICE vehicles.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:50 pm to AndyCBR
quote:It doesn't matter whether we are a net importer or exporter, the fact remains that the oil market is very volatile. Always has been and always will be.
There was a time not so long ago under a recent president that we were no longer dependent upon global imports. Yes we still imported some different flavors of crude but we were also exporting enough of our own stocks we were net positive.
quote:Jesus you guys are *not* getting it. Your ICE vehicle won't last forever, either. I'm talking about being energy independent at the national on down to the individual level. Surely you've noticed all the bitching about gas prices, right? You participate too, right? Right now it's fun to blame Biden, but it's always something because there's always something. The whims of the middle east, the market as a whole, this or that. If prices get too low everybody cuts production until it goes back up because that's just how markets work. And if O&G is your only option for transportation energy, every industry feels the highs and lows. On the other hand, if you can charge your vehicle with gas, diesel, natgas, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, tidal, geothermal, or any other way we can figure out to produce electricity, the volatility is smoothed out and there is always downward pressure on prices. Every single other industry gets lubricated as a result.
And you're losing people here. The EV is not "self sustaining". The battery packs have a finite life. The battery packs are very expensive to replace, so much so, it can total the vehicle.
quote:Again, even if we are a net exporter, that still does not solve the problem. That still does not stabilize the O&G market. That still does not give the individual the ability to be self-sufficient in terms of energy and transportation.
Again, the American O&G market can be self sustaining if we don't have shite for brains leaders in office directing crappy policy.
Answer this: how much would you be willing to pay to have your own refinery on your own property that supplies you with 90+% of the gasoline you need, and which magically requires zero cost input stock?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:58 pm to AndyCBR
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And this is the problem with this technology and its stalwarts (mostly leftists it seems).
I'm actually a Trump republican. And for the record, I think you'd be shocked at the demographic average of Tesla drivers. In my small pool of Tesla owning friends, nearly all of them lean pretty conservative.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:03 am to HubbaBubba
I’m just wondering what we’re going to do with all the older electric cars when they’re scrapped.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:15 am to HubbaBubba
Battery electric cars don’t do anything I need better.
And they introduce new flaws. Chiefly range and recharge times.
Those issues make electric vehicles not just impractical for my use, they make them dangerous.
And they introduce new flaws. Chiefly range and recharge times.
Those issues make electric vehicles not just impractical for my use, they make them dangerous.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:19 am to willymeaux
quote:Do you wonder what we do with ICE vehicles when they're scrapped? Probably the same thing.
I’m just wondering what we’re going to do with all the older electric cars when they’re scrapped.
If you're wondering about the batteries specifically, once they are "spent" for EV use they still have about 70% of their original capacity, making them a great choice to be repurposed as home backup power storage. After that, or as an alternative, nearly 100% of lithium battery materials are infinitely recyclable. A pile of old EV batteries will make for a very resource rich "mine" for making new batteries.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:37 am to High C
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I filled my truck up with ICE a few days ago, and now it’s running terribly.
You have to wait until it thaws, dummy.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:36 am to Cenlabration
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I've come around on EV's lately.
I have a reservation in for a Ford F 150 Lightning. But I don't think I will get it for a year or more. I am also picking up a new Acura at the end of the month. It's a model with a twin turbo charged V6. I will enjoy both when I get them and I can more accurately report back on these threads about EVs after that. But I have no problem with the concept of an EV. If one has to haul horses or a John Deere tractor or a bass boat across three states an ICE may be the better option for now.
I haven't seen any charging stations at Buc-ees but I see a lot of gas pumps.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:24 am to AndyCBR
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Yes there is, they are not paying the tax per gallon of gasoline. Currently 38.4 cents per gallon in LA. So owning an EV is a tax break by default because you aren’t paying your share of road taxes every ICE vehicle is.
Have you looked at your electric bill? You pay taxes, fuel surcharge, fees for every storm. All of this is when added together is more than your actual electrical usage
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:26 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I haven't seen any charging stations at Buc-ees but I see a lot of gas pumps.
Bucees has an agreement with tesla to add superchargers to 26 stores. They’re already in permitting.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:36 am to HubbaBubba
Right now battery powered cars just aren't there need to improve range, and charging and actually longevity of the batteries. And there is no reason oil is where it is, we need a change of administration.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:48 am to tigerstripes
quote:You mean besides all the reasons?
there is no reason oil is where it is
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:05 am to tigerstripes
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And there is no reason oil is where it is, we need a change of administration.
I bet you weren't spouting this mantra when gas prices were this high in 2018...what changed you think?
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