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re: Do you embrace battery powered cars or will you use an ICE powered car to the bitter end?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:45 pm to namvet6566
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:45 pm to namvet6566
quote:You've got it arse-backwards.
Imagine the mess in a hurricane evacuation
Stations run out of gas days before landfall with the run on the pumps. Meanwhile EVs will be all charged up and ready to go. On top of that, there are plenty of natgas generators around here, including at my house. EVs are ideal in disaster scenarios.
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Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:49 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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The CEO of Toyota and Elon Musk are aware of this. The CEO of Toyota said Texas would have to be plastered with windmills and solar panels east to west to make a dent.
Which makes sense in places that are all tumbleweeds.
In my neck of the woods that means destroying green space.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:49 pm to HubbaBubba
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California just passed into law that by 2035 all new cars sold in California must be zero carbon emitting.
So? Think just because a bunch of loons that failed grade-school math and science classes pass a law that it will become 100% reality? Laughable.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:10 pm to HubbaBubba
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Do you embrace this, or are you going to wait until you are faced with no other option, or when gasoline becomes so scarce that it costs $12 a gallon?
If gas becomes more expensive I can purchase a ICE vehicle that has double the MPG of what I currently drive for less than the least expensive EV. It is also absurd to think that the price of electricity is not going to drastically increase in price with EV driven demand.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:10 pm to Korkstand
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Do you believe we should stop devoting tens of billions of dollars of our military budget to protecting global oil supply lines in order to stabilize prices? The market can't be free until we stop doing that.
That’s a new one.
The price of “Protecting Global Oil Supplies” is too damned high!!
Not any other international trade. Forget about projecting force as an effective self-defense in the age of rockets, jets, internet, and satellites. Nope. We only spend defense money to protect oil supplies.
Even though we could be oil exporters if not for Dem’s unreasonable fear of fracking, we spend trillions to protect oil shipments.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:10 pm to HubbaBubba
I would buy a car from Elon Musk.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:13 pm to EA6B
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If gas becomes more expensive I can purchase a ICE vehicle that has double the MPG of what I currently drive for less than the least expensive EV. It is also absurd to think that the price of electricity is not going to drastically increase in price with EV driven demand
If you pay 15k more for an EV it will take you a decade of driving it to end up in the black vs paying for gas.
And Lord forbid that battery fails on you out of warranty. I don't want any vehicle that has a 20-25k part
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:18 pm to HubbaBubba
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I'm with you on this. I think it's a fool's folly built by political correctness by giving in to the extreme conservationists.
It’s all disingenuous bullshite until they start pushing for wide adaptation of nuclear power with the same breath they use to push EV’s.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:20 pm to HubbaBubba
I will NEVER purchase an electric car.
Never.
Would happily be the last American driving an ICE vehicle.
Never.
Would happily be the last American driving an ICE vehicle.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:21 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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In my neck of the woods that means destroying green space.
That's kind of the point the Toyota CEO was making. Elon Musk said if we ceased using petroleum it would plunge the world into a depression and famine and all that shite. Elon said petroleum is wonderful but we have to get off of it sooner or later. So the time is right to perfect EVs.
My predictions: We will have to go all in on nuclear power. It is a limited footprint industry that produces the quantities of energy needed.
We will have to wean ourselves off petroleum. In a timeline sense the era of petroleum/gasoline will be a 200 to 300 year thing. Maybe it stretches to 400. But in the amount of time equivalent to when Columbus discovered the new world until now, petroleum will be scarce. We owe it to future generations to develop the next thing.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:29 pm to Korkstand
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EVs are ideal in disaster scenarios.
So my charger is back in new orleans where power is out for 3 weeks. Im staying a couple of hundred miles away, and stil have to drive around se louisiana not only to work, but to go back and forth and check on the house in new orleans.
Where the frick am I charging this thing? Had no issues with the ice doing this.
I see there is like one charging point between baton rouge and new orleans at tanger outlet.
Only one telsa station on 90 between nola and laffy
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:33 pm to HubbaBubba
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Manufacturers announcing they'll be only manufacturing 100% battery powered cars by 2035. Gasoline stations will be disappearing, replaced by charging stations.
Yeah that is bullshite. The internal combustion engine will still be around for some time. Sure a gradual phase out will start to happen,but sometime between the next 50-75+ years until the infrastructure is put in place to handle the extra load being put on the power grid. I am still expecting to see gasoline and diesel powered engines until the end of my lifetime. I live in Germany and they are already talking about putting loading restrictions in place ,because the grid is struggling to keep up. 5% of the cars on the road have electric capabilities with just under 1% being full electric vehicles. 13 years is not a whole lot of time when looking to make this happen in the future.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:33 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:Do you disagree?
That’s a new one.
The price of “Protecting Global Oil Supplies” is too damned high!!
quote:Keep fighting that strawman.
Not any other international trade. Forget about projecting force as an effective self-defense in the age of rockets, jets, internet, and satellites. Nope. We only spend defense money to protect oil supplies.
Oil will always be traded on the global market, so it will always have the hidden defense spending attached. Electricity production is not a global market. It is far cheaper to protect local and regional trade than to protect global trade.
You can choose to ignore that if you want.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:36 pm to HubbaBubba
Give me an electric truck that can tow a boat 6-800 miles in the same amount of time it takes am ICE truck, an I'm in.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:38 pm to fallguy_1978
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And Lord forbid that battery fails on you out of warranty. I don't want any vehicle that has a 20-25k part
I said this in another thread and was assured new batteries wouldn't be more than $19K,so you are good.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:40 pm to HubbaBubba
Let's talk charging stations. My local Race Trac has 40 gas pumps. Within a 5 mile radius of my home there are 11 gas stations. That's a lot of gas pumps to be replaced with charging stations. Are all the gas station owners going to rip out their fuel tanks and gas pumps and wire up for charging stations ?
Let's talk charge time. My ICE vehicle fills up with gasoline in 10 minutes. By the Laws of Physics you will never be able to fully charge an empty EV in 10 minutes. You can not break the Laws of Physics . Home charging: OK. Going to have to go a wire up for the large amp charger in the garage which will be a large investment. My next door neighbor has 5 cars , has 3 teenage sons. How the hell they will be to charge all that?
Power grid load. Get ready for blackouts.
With an EV we are just moving the tailpipe from our car to the powerplant because solar and wind will never be able to cope with the load.
Bottom line: Gasoline/diesel/natural gas all deliver more BTUs than solar/wind. Always.
Let's talk charge time. My ICE vehicle fills up with gasoline in 10 minutes. By the Laws of Physics you will never be able to fully charge an empty EV in 10 minutes. You can not break the Laws of Physics . Home charging: OK. Going to have to go a wire up for the large amp charger in the garage which will be a large investment. My next door neighbor has 5 cars , has 3 teenage sons. How the hell they will be to charge all that?
Power grid load. Get ready for blackouts.
With an EV we are just moving the tailpipe from our car to the powerplant because solar and wind will never be able to cope with the load.
Bottom line: Gasoline/diesel/natural gas all deliver more BTUs than solar/wind. Always.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:42 pm to dgnx6
quote:Did you evacuate to a place that also does not have power? Are you a dumbass?
So my charger is back in new orleans where power is out for 3 weeks. Im staying a couple of hundred miles away, and stil have to drive around se louisiana not only to work, but to go back and forth and check on the house in new orleans.
Where the frick am I charging this thing?
quote:I had plenty issues fueling up before and after Ida. The police had to go around town as each station got a load in to direct traffic, and it took 30 minutes to an hour or more of waiting in line for your turn to fuel up. This lasted far longer than the power was out around here. And when the power was out, I had a generator at home as well as at work that would have kept an EV topped off all the time.
Had no issues with the ice doing this.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:45 pm to fallguy_1978
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Battery powered have too many drawbacks for me at this time.
The biggest drawback to them is they're the antithesis of "green" and China controls the refining of lithium and the manufacture of lithium ion batteries.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:46 pm to HubbaBubba
If battery technology catches up to ICE, sure.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:48 pm to HubbaBubba
I’ll drive an Ice car until they develop one that runs on the screams of my enemies.
The Hell Camino is a good start
The Hell Camino is a good start
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