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re: Do you embrace battery powered cars or will you use an ICE powered car to the bitter end?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 4:32 pm to fallguy_1978
Posted on 2/6/22 at 4:32 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:100% of homes don't have a gas pump.
40% of homes don't have a garage or carport.
quote:I don't know if you can find anyone who thinks everyone should or is able to get an EV. It's just an absurd thought at this point.
And that's not even taking into account apartments where you'd be sharing that connection with hundreds of others if they even have one.
However I think building owners would be wise to start crunching the numbers on EV charge spots. Could fetch a decent monthly rate plus markup on power for a nice mostly passive revenue stream.
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Posted on 2/6/22 at 4:46 pm to back9Tiger
quote:Don't be a jackass. My position is in favor of ICE, and believe this sudden surge to produce more EVs is misguided and the envelope (infrastructure) is not ready to be pushed so far so fast as we are seeing, now.
Apparently you don’t know squat about the energy sector.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 4:50 pm to Korkstand
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100% of homes don't have a gas pump.
Right but getting gas isn't some major inconvenience so I'm not sure it's apples to apples. Going somewhere to charge a vehicle for 1-2 hrs or having to stop for that amount of time on a road trip would be though.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 4:51 pm to billjamin
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It takes longer to answer the stupid fricking questions at every gas pump than it does to plug in an EV.
All those questions and more will come with EV chargers eventually.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 4:54 pm to Korkstand
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Oil will always be traded on the global market, so it will always have the hidden defense spending attached. Electricity production is not a global market. It is far cheaper to protect local and regional trade than to protect global trade.
You can choose to ignore that if you want.
Where do we get Lithium, Cobalt, Nickel, and Cadmium? Do you think there’s a “global trade” in those commodities?
And why are we just talking about commodities and imports? Don’t we also want to protect manufactured products and exports?
Your argument is nonsensical.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 4:58 pm to Clames
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All those questions and more will come with EV chargers eventually.
The charger at your home, which is where over 80% charging happens, is not going to ask for your loyalty number, if you want a car wash and to enter your zip code.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:02 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:Still more inconvenient than plugging in at home.
Right but getting gas isn't some major inconvenience
quote:It's not apples to apples, but most of the arguments favoring ICE like to assume that it is. That's why you and others keep making the same poor assumptions that we need as many chargers as we have gas pumps, and that charging an EV has to happen empty->full like we do with gas, or that we're just going to be waiting around for an EV to charge with our dicks in our hands. It's always "5 minute weekly fill-up vs 1 hour weekly charge-up", but that's a flawed comparison. Common sense and real-world data says it's more like "5 minute weekly fill-up vs 10 second daily plug-in with occasional 30 minute stops". That's a nice trade, IMO.
so I'm not sure it's apples to apples
quote:If you do this often enough that it would be a bother, then please do not buy an EV. It's really simple.
charge a vehicle for 1-2 hrs or having to stop for that amount of time on a road trip
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:07 pm to Korkstand
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10 second daily plug-in
The vast majority of people don’t even need this. Most Teslas only need to charge 1-2 times a week. People do get range anxiety though and tend to plug in daily which is driving some development in smart chargers and other things to minimize the constant battery top off that isn’t very good for the battery.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:08 pm to Korkstand
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Still more inconvenient than plugging in at home.
How many people live in cities where they park in the street? What about houses with multiple cars? There’s a fourplex across the street from me with 10 adults all owning cars with no driveway. That’s not convenient in the least.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:34 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:Are you under the impression that ICE vehicles are not built out of globally traded commodities? And do you not understand the difference between building vehicles out of globally traded commodities vs building a vehicle that is entirely dependent on globally-traded commodities in order to function?
Where do we get Lithium, Cobalt, Nickel, and Cadmium? Do you think there’s a “global trade” in those commodities?
quote:If you would take your head out of your arse for a minute, maybe you could understand that true energy independence can never be achieved as long as we rely so heavily on fossil fuels. The supply and price will always be subject to the whims of foreign nations.
And why are we just talking about commodities and imports?
quote:I would imagine lots of perfectly sensible things seem like nonsense to you. You have twisted each and every thing I've said into a nonsensical version of it.
Your argument is nonsensical.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:36 pm to HubbaBubba
If the price is right, sure. I’ll go electric. Currently have paid off ICE and rolling with it until it dies. Next purchase? If the price is right and no reliability issues, sure
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:40 pm to fallguy_1978
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Right but getting gas isn't some major inconvenience so I'm not sure it's apples to apples. Going somewhere to charge a vehicle for 1-2 hrs or having to stop for that amount of time on a road trip would be though.
Road trip? Yeah, you won't be taking those anymore. Bad for the environment, see.
En route to forcing EVs as much as possible, the powers that be will also keep travel with them as inconvenient as possible. Even though the technology already exists to make charging much faster, we probably won't see anything close to the quick fillups ICE provides.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:42 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:I don't GAF what you drive but where does this idea that ICE vehicles are the product of an unfettered free market come from? The entire industry is historically and presently one of the most subsidized industries on the planet.
I have no problem with new technologies when they develop in a free and competitive marketplace where I know the success of the platform will be meticulously measured by the laws of supply and demand
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:42 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:Why are we talking about people who probably should not buy an EV right now? My god it's as if you have no sense whatsoever.
How many people live in cities where they park in the street?
quote:What about them? If they swap out just one of them with an EV, I bet I know which car would be driven the most.
What about houses with multiple cars?
quote:You're right, 10 cars and no driveway sounds pretty inconvenient. The property owner, tenants, and maybe even city might consider doing something about that. And while they're at it, the property owner might consider adding chargers for more passive revenue and to also broaden the pool of prospective tenants.
There’s a fourplex across the street from me with 10 adults all owning cars with no driveway. That’s not convenient in the least.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:51 pm to HubbaBubba
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It's coming.
No, it's not.
quote:
The end of R&D by auto manufacturers into improving Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) has already started. Manufacturers announcing they'll be only manufacturing 100% battery powered cars by 2035. Gasoline stations will be disappearing, replaced by charging stations.
Do you embrace this, or are you going to wait until you are faced with no other option, or when gasoline becomes so scarce that it costs $12 a gallon?
This is all a fricking fantasy.
Will EV vehicle use increase? Probably.
Will it dominate? Not unless people want to buy (or are forced to buy) only EV's. Near impossible CAFE ratings being imposed on manufacturers with unrealistic timelines are one ploy to make that happen sooner rather than later.
But honestly, if the market doesn't want it. People won't buy them.
I can keep buying a shite ton of parts to make my ICE vehicles last quite a long time if I had to.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:55 pm to AndyCBR
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But honestly, if the market doesn't want it. People won't buy them.
Every EV adoption forecast has been blown away by sales.
People want EVs and adoption is far outpacing what was expected
Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:00 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Every EV adoption forecast has been blown away by sales.
Gonna need some backup on this.
Turds that come to mind (some hybrid also):
Chevy Volt
Honda cancelling their hybrid Accord due to low sales
Honda Insight (low sales)
quote:
People want EVs and adoption is far outpacing what was expected
Once those that truly want them, get them, then that new demand will be satisfied and these surplus EV turds will sit on the lot.
ETA: And the tax break savings for EV users getting away with not paying road taxes via gasoline purchases will be coming to an end soon with a per mile tax eventually.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:05 pm to AndyCBR
Teslas are still selling like crazy and there are no more tax breaks on those.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:08 pm to HubbaBubba
ICE until battery's become better. If battery cars had the money and years that ICE does the technology would be alot further along.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:09 pm to HubbaBubba
I always keep my options open. I'm betting the hybrid/plug concept takes over the passenger car market.
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