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re: Do you embrace battery powered cars or will you use an ICE powered car to the bitter end?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:45 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:45 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
If and when an EV makes sense for me, I will get one. Right now it doesn't. Range is a factor, plus we already have three paid for vehicles for two people and those three are running fine.
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Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:47 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
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or maybe I'll get a horse
Those frickers make EVs look cheap.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:48 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Understand. I love the sound of a big block V8 with loping CAMS and running straight pipes on a classic Cobra or Ford Daytona Coupe. Nothing like being a part of the car when using a stick.
I will always drive ICE powered cars with a manual gearshift.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:49 pm to HubbaBubba
I believe the climate scientists when they say that switching to electric vehicles will have an insignificant effect on atmospheric carbon dioxide levels.
I’m also certain that this switch in R & D from internal combustion to electric vehicles is almost entirely driven by federal mandates for increasingly impossible MPG ratings on ICE vehicles as well as other incentives.
I have no problem with new technologies when they develop in a free and competitive marketplace where I know the success of the platform will be meticulously measured by the laws of supply and demand.
Regarding this technology which is being forced, I suspect the truth about the costs, reliability, environmental impact, longevity, versatility, and safety will be difficult to find.
I’ll stay with the tried and true for as long as it appears to be the better option.
I’m also certain that this switch in R & D from internal combustion to electric vehicles is almost entirely driven by federal mandates for increasingly impossible MPG ratings on ICE vehicles as well as other incentives.
I have no problem with new technologies when they develop in a free and competitive marketplace where I know the success of the platform will be meticulously measured by the laws of supply and demand.
Regarding this technology which is being forced, I suspect the truth about the costs, reliability, environmental impact, longevity, versatility, and safety will be difficult to find.
I’ll stay with the tried and true for as long as it appears to be the better option.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:49 pm to SpotCheckBilly
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If and when an EV makes sense for me, I will get one. Right now it doesn't. Range is a factor, plus we already have three paid for vehicles for two people and those three are running fine.
And most of them are so expensive the whole not paying for gas doesn't really save money.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:49 pm to HubbaBubba
Right now Electric vs. ICE is about the environment and economics. In the not too distant future the cars will probably be different enough that you'll have a reason to embrace it.
The thing that makes electric cars potentially very different from ICE cars is they can have everything that drives the car in the under carriage, ie no need for a big, bulky engine in the hood. You can reclaim that space and make for some interesting configurations. Throw in the self driving component and it gets even more interesting.
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I don't know how long it will take to get to this point, but once we do, I think most people will embrace EVs and ICEs will be for the hobbyists that love to drive.
The thing that makes electric cars potentially very different from ICE cars is they can have everything that drives the car in the under carriage, ie no need for a big, bulky engine in the hood. You can reclaim that space and make for some interesting configurations. Throw in the self driving component and it gets even more interesting.
I don't know how long it will take to get to this point, but once we do, I think most people will embrace EVs and ICEs will be for the hobbyists that love to drive.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:49 pm to HubbaBubba
ICE to the end. The push you are seeing for battery and self driving cars are directly linked to control of the masses and movement.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:50 pm to HubbaBubba
As soon as a battery powered truck can pull a 5 horse slant load trailer with a 19 foot short wall LQ for 400 miles in the mountains on a single charge and then be ready to go again by the time I fill up a coffee cup and pee and is price and endurance competitive (300k mile life) I'll switch. Until then no.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:51 pm to HubbaBubba
I am in favor for using the most efficient technology for my vehicles--and efficiency is determined by a cost/benefit analysis of cost of operation vs the value of my time.
First obstacle for EV is to recharge my vehicle within 10 minutes so I can continue my life.
EV may be adequate for a daily driver and for local use but I make too many long trips and it is unacceptable for recharging to take 30 minutes and I am the fourth in line for the charging station.
I hope for a coexistence for ICE and EV. There needs to be a place for "fun" cars and weekend drivers. I will still be using my convertible which happens to be a classic car (30+ years old) on the weekends and road trips.
First obstacle for EV is to recharge my vehicle within 10 minutes so I can continue my life.
EV may be adequate for a daily driver and for local use but I make too many long trips and it is unacceptable for recharging to take 30 minutes and I am the fourth in line for the charging station.
I hope for a coexistence for ICE and EV. There needs to be a place for "fun" cars and weekend drivers. I will still be using my convertible which happens to be a classic car (30+ years old) on the weekends and road trips.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:52 pm to OK Roughneck
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I live in a petroleum state I think I'm in good shape not having to convert for a while
You are probably good for a while. I see a lot of vehicles on I20 and few are EVs. To make a political statement, the Russians are about to attack Ukraine with impunity because the Green Western Europeans can't wean themselves off Russian natural gas.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:52 pm to HubbaBubba
Apparently you don’t know squat about the energy sector.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:54 pm to HubbaBubba
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The end of R&D by auto manufacturers into improving Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) has already started.
Where do you morons get this bullshite from? Are you too illiterate to read a recent SAE research journal?
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Manufacturers announcing they'll be only manufacturing 100% battery powered cars by 2035.
Aside from GM's year-old proclamation that was, in reality, just a stated aspiration they are in no way bound to deliver on, who else has made such a promise?
This is why EV homers are treated like vegans, bicyclists, and CrossFitters.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:54 pm to OK Roughneck
quote:California just passed into law that by 2035 all new cars sold in California must be zero carbon emitting. Now, unless someone comes up with a way to burn gasoline with enough efficiency to do that, then by natural progression, as fewer vehicles use gas over time, economically, gas stations won't remain viable enough to stay open by selling gas.
I live in a petroleum state I think I'm in good shape not having to convert for a while
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:56 pm to HubbaBubba
I am probably too stupid to understand but aren’t we just exchanging one non-renewable resource for another going from gas to battery? Where Is the power to supply these charging stations coming from and do we have the infrastructure to support all this?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:58 pm to HubbaBubba
You talking just strictly cars, or vehicles altogether. They haven't made anything that could partially replace my 2500hd with diesel. Too many miles and to places that definitely won't have a grid for electric charging any time in the near future. Probably 80% of fuel stations have diesel and that's how convenient I want it to stay.
Plus, are you going to be ready for paying that premium electric bill to charge up? I don't think it costs anything now at a public charge station for the user, but it will. Plus your electric bill at home will increase, not just from your usage, but to help maintain to massive increase in infrastructure on the grid. Someone else isn't just going to cover all those costs forever.
Plus, are you going to be ready for paying that premium electric bill to charge up? I don't think it costs anything now at a public charge station for the user, but it will. Plus your electric bill at home will increase, not just from your usage, but to help maintain to massive increase in infrastructure on the grid. Someone else isn't just going to cover all those costs forever.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:59 pm to Clames
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:59 pm to Clames
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Aside from GM's year-old proclamation that was, in reality, just a stated aspiration they are in no way bound to deliver on, who else has made such a promise?
And somehow energy has to be generated to power all the EVs to come. The public knows nothing about that. I'm sure the energy generation needed for EVs is probably the same as the energy potential in all those gas tanks in vehicles and gas stations and petroleum reserves. Petroleum products are wonderful. But people think electricity comes out of a wire plugged into something.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:00 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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I will always drive ICE powered cars with a manual gearshift.
I love both.
But, I will always have a fun old ICE vehicle with a clutch. (Jeep,muscle car, import tuner - I rotate my spare car every year or so)
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:00 pm to jscrims
quote:I'm with you on this. I think it's a fool's folly built by political correctness by giving in to the extreme conservationists.
I am probably too stupid to understand but aren’t we just exchanging one non-renewable resource for another going from gas to battery? Where Is the power to supply these charging stations coming from and do we have the infrastructure to support all this?
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