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Is JD being penalized?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:22 pm
I checked out the Heisman odds and JD is #7. I feel like if we had an average defense, which would allow us to be undefeated, JD would be #1 or #2.
If you are an offensive player, why does your teams performance on defense hurt you so much?
If you are an offensive player, why does your teams performance on defense hurt you so much?
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:24 pm to jafari rastaman
Meh. That’s how it is these days.
But if he somehow manages to overcome the defense and win the SECw or even the SEC, he will be in NY at the end of the season with an outside shot to win.
My guess though is that if USC wins their conference, the voters will make sure Caleb Williams gets it again
But if he somehow manages to overcome the defense and win the SECw or even the SEC, he will be in NY at the end of the season with an outside shot to win.
My guess though is that if USC wins their conference, the voters will make sure Caleb Williams gets it again
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:25 pm to jafari rastaman
It’s just the way it is. You almost always have to be on a beast team to win the heisman
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:42 pm to jafari rastaman
Heisman voters like winners. Or, more accurately, players on overperforming teams.
If Daniels was on a 2-loss Mississippi State team putting these numbers up, he would probably be viewed differently.
That said, Heisman odds are not Heisman votes so it doesn’t really matter at this point.
If Daniels was on a 2-loss Mississippi State team putting these numbers up, he would probably be viewed differently.
That said, Heisman odds are not Heisman votes so it doesn’t really matter at this point.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:44 pm to jafari rastaman
It's always been a "best player on the best team" award, which I think is BS. That's why Christian McCaffrey didn't win it.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:47 pm to jafari rastaman
It’s been that way my whole lifetime. When did players used to win the Heisman on losing teams? Maybe it happened in a different era but the Heisman is a team award today.
If LSU was 5-0 he’d be at the top with Washington’s QB as the front runner for the award.
If LSU was 5-0 he’d be at the top with Washington’s QB as the front runner for the award.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:47 pm to jafari rastaman
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I checked out the Heisman odds and JD is #7. I feel like if we had an average defense, which would allow us to be undefeated, JD would be #1 or #2.
Players lose their momentum if/when their teams lose especially QBs. RBs are more immune to the team performance than QBs though.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:50 pm to jafari rastaman
He’d be higher, or a front runner, if he clinched a win on the final drive vs ol miss. It’s not just big numbers they look at. It sucks for him that the defense is failing him. I’m happy with what he’s doing and he’s great but it is what it is.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:51 pm to OlDirtyTiger7
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It's always been a "best player on the best team" award, which I think is BS. That's why Christian McCaffrey didn't win it.
Yep.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:18 pm to jafari rastaman
RG3 is one of the few Heisman winners not on the “best” team. However, his team overachieved for a typical Baylor squad.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:22 pm to OlDirtyTiger7
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It's always been a "best player on the best team" award, which I think is BS. That's why Christian McCaffrey didn't win it.
Not if we have another 2007-like season of chaos where Tebow won on a 9-4 Florida team that finished #13 (AP) and #16 (Coaches).
The issue in 2023 is that there are just so many good QBs on the best teams, so unless Jayden does something unbelieveable and wins SEC, he won't have a chance.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:14 pm to jafari rastaman
It's BS. Lamar Jackson finished with 9 wins and RG3 finished with 9 wins before the heisman ceremony. Remember Tebow and those losses?
It's all about popularity. Ewers has had one great game, against Bama, and still like top 3 or 4. Nix is like 600 yards and 4-5 TDs off Daniels, but his team is undefeated.
I'll say this, if we win the West, it'll be because of him, and he's at the very least sitting in that front row as a finalist. Right now he has 2002 yards and 19 TDs. If we finish 10-3 (loss to UGA SECCG) and he averages just 300 yards (averaging 400.4) and 2.5 TDs (averaging 3.8) over the next 8 games, that would give him 4400 total yards and 39 TDs. Last year he averaged 280 yards and had 19 total TDs over the last 8 games. That included 2 performances with only around 200 total yards and a 96 yard performance (he missed 2 halves of games during that span).
However I think he won't go under 350 total yards and 3 total TDs in any game but maybe Goergia St, going forward. They'll probably let him play a half.
It's all about popularity. Ewers has had one great game, against Bama, and still like top 3 or 4. Nix is like 600 yards and 4-5 TDs off Daniels, but his team is undefeated.
I'll say this, if we win the West, it'll be because of him, and he's at the very least sitting in that front row as a finalist. Right now he has 2002 yards and 19 TDs. If we finish 10-3 (loss to UGA SECCG) and he averages just 300 yards (averaging 400.4) and 2.5 TDs (averaging 3.8) over the next 8 games, that would give him 4400 total yards and 39 TDs. Last year he averaged 280 yards and had 19 total TDs over the last 8 games. That included 2 performances with only around 200 total yards and a 96 yard performance (he missed 2 halves of games during that span).
However I think he won't go under 350 total yards and 3 total TDs in any game but maybe Goergia St, going forward. They'll probably let him play a half.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:18 pm to jafari rastaman
Bummer. Defense can’t be last.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:23 pm to jafari rastaman
The Heisman is a gimmicky award. It doesn’t go to the player or even the best offensive player. It’s goes to a good player on a contending team.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:46 pm to jafari rastaman
It’s trending being 8-4 with 5 SEC games left and 2 non-SEC games that aren’t Grambling making 7-5 or even 6-6 distinct possibilities.
It’s probably also JD having 4 prior years as a starter with some inconsistency causing some involved in odds to take a show me attitude towards him this season. FSU game probably engrained this at beginning which has be worked off. FSU was also by far the best opponent played to date. Surprisingly FSU is worse than LSU in passing yards allowed per game to date. Ole Miss is less surprisingly worse in pass yards allowed per game, and State was close behind us. Both Ark and State are 2-3 and in 3 game losing streaks. Grambling only counts as a negative when performance against is less than expected.
There are still 2 months to answer doubts and continue performing, and doing so against what will likely be be viewed as the more difficult section of schedule.
It’s probably also JD having 4 prior years as a starter with some inconsistency causing some involved in odds to take a show me attitude towards him this season. FSU game probably engrained this at beginning which has be worked off. FSU was also by far the best opponent played to date. Surprisingly FSU is worse than LSU in passing yards allowed per game to date. Ole Miss is less surprisingly worse in pass yards allowed per game, and State was close behind us. Both Ark and State are 2-3 and in 3 game losing streaks. Grambling only counts as a negative when performance against is less than expected.
There are still 2 months to answer doubts and continue performing, and doing so against what will likely be be viewed as the more difficult section of schedule.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:54 pm to jafari rastaman
First off who gives a frick about a Heisman. Second, the only stat that matters for a QB is wins
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:29 pm to dallastigers
quote:explain Bo Nix last year? Three years of terrible play (Daniels literally only had one year of bad play), qnd completely blown out by UGA game one. After 4-5 games later, they were damn near crowning him
It’s trending being 8-4 with 5 SEC games left and 2 non-SEC games that aren’t Grambling making 7-5 or even 6-6 distinct possibilities.
It’s probably also JD having 4 prior years as a starter with some inconsistency causing some involved in odds to take a show me attitude towards him this season. FSU game probably engrained this at beginning which has be worked off. FSU was also by far the best opponent played to date. Surprisingly FSU is worse than LSU in passing yards allowed per game to date. Ole Miss is less surprisingly worse in pass yards allowed per game, and State was close behind us. Both Ark and State are 2-3 and in 3 game losing streaks. Grambling only counts as a negative when performance against is less than expected.
There are still 2 months to answer doubts and continue performing, and doing so against what will likely be be viewed as the more difficult section of schedule.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:19 pm to Datbayoubengal
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explain Bo Nix last year? Three years of terrible play (Daniels literally only had one year of bad play), qnd completely blown out by UGA game one. After 4-5 games later, they were damn near crowning him
I don’t remember any crowning, and its a vague timeframe as Oregon won 8 in a row after Georgia. He wasn’t a finalist by end of season (maybe due to Oregon losing last 2 of 3 against ranked teams with at least similar passing yards to past games, including a failed last minute comeback in one loss, & also still beating the #10 team), and 2 fairly average QBs were mostly because of being on undefeated play-off bound teams. Also he was on a completely different team than the prior season, and again after their opening loss they won 8 in a row up until Nov 12th including beating 2 ranked teams (1 top 10 at the time).
So regardless of any subjectivity in his alleged crowning LSU loses its second on September 30th while Oregon only did on Nov 12th which coincidentally included a last minute failed comeback attempt (Did Bo lose Crown then?). Oregon also beat 2 ranked teams before its much later 2nd loss. LSU has lost to the only 2 ranked teams played so far this season. Nix didn’t play for Oregon his prior year unlike JD playing for LSU and Kelly last season, so Nix had no history with Oregon or its staff before the season when this crowing supposedly took place. Nike.
Does that explain anything?
Comparing Nix and JD last year and then again this season would make more sense with history and new teams but still not make your point trying to counter what I mentioned previously. You have stated Nix was crowned last season which ends your point already.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 10/4/23 at 2:18 am to jafari rastaman
Well, if you remember 2019, our defense kinda sucked, especially early in the year. That didn't stop our QB, who was not a Heisman contender then to make enough plays to keep us undefeated. Remember Texas, Florida, and Auburn?
Our current QB has had the opportunities to win all our games in the fourth quarter.
Our current QB has had the opportunities to win all our games in the fourth quarter.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 4:28 am to jafari rastaman
It’s become a beauty pageant in my opinion.
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