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re: Too many people are traveling, and it is ruining travel.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:27 pm to Slippy
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:27 pm to Slippy
I think that's great! Americans getting to enjoy long-delayed travel primarily due to Covid, Ukraine War (in certain areas impacted indirectly, us with Latvia and Estonia for example).
You wanted to see those sights and that's great. Rome is obviously one of the top tourist desinations in the world. Even in the offseason (We went in January) it was crowded, and this was the pre-Covid era.
Simple answer is go where they ain't. We follow LifeStyle Hal and think he does amazing travel videos. Here's one he did a while back on "less touristy" destinations. One of the discussed locations is Slovenia. There's a thread here on the topic recently. Amazing country. Other than certain times of the year around Lake Bled, it's not very crowded at all.
Serbia is another amazing location that generally doesn't get that much tourist traffic. Same goes for Romania and Bulgaria.
We're going to Bosnia in May. And Croatia later (which I expected to be crowded). Always wanted to go to Georgia (the country!) but that's probably never going to happen.
You wanted to see those sights and that's great. Rome is obviously one of the top tourist desinations in the world. Even in the offseason (We went in January) it was crowded, and this was the pre-Covid era.
Simple answer is go where they ain't. We follow LifeStyle Hal and think he does amazing travel videos. Here's one he did a while back on "less touristy" destinations. One of the discussed locations is Slovenia. There's a thread here on the topic recently. Amazing country. Other than certain times of the year around Lake Bled, it's not very crowded at all.
Serbia is another amazing location that generally doesn't get that much tourist traffic. Same goes for Romania and Bulgaria.
We're going to Bosnia in May. And Croatia later (which I expected to be crowded). Always wanted to go to Georgia (the country!) but that's probably never going to happen.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:43 pm to Nole Man
I have an old neighbor from Georgia and the entire country looks gorgeous. They go back every year, don't count it out
Posted on 11/6/23 at 5:20 am to Slippy
Rome was super busy but could find spots in the city that weren't too bad. Vatican was slammed for the museum. Colosseum was busy at first then cleared once the lines went moving. Trevi was slammed.
Didn't find Florence too busy.
Wife and I went in May.
Didn't find Florence too busy.
Wife and I went in May.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:50 am to Tigris
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Great quote from David Foster Wallace:
The dude sounds like a miserable self important a-hole.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:35 pm to Slippy
Like others have said, going to the most popular places is going to be crowded no matter what. It's like my traffic engineering professor said: you're not in traffic; you ARE traffic.
We went to Italy last year and had a blast. Just like you, Rome and Florence. But instead of going to the popular spots that everyone mentioned online and on Google reviews, we brushed up on Italian for a few months prior and went off the beaten path. We went to espresso bars and panini shops where they spoke almost 0 English. We fumbled through enough Italian and the workers did the same in English and we had a great experience.
Try that for your next trip no matter which country it is. Stop looking up which tours to take and which places to go. Aim to make one of your days wandering around and talking to locals
We went to Italy last year and had a blast. Just like you, Rome and Florence. But instead of going to the popular spots that everyone mentioned online and on Google reviews, we brushed up on Italian for a few months prior and went off the beaten path. We went to espresso bars and panini shops where they spoke almost 0 English. We fumbled through enough Italian and the workers did the same in English and we had a great experience.
Try that for your next trip no matter which country it is. Stop looking up which tours to take and which places to go. Aim to make one of your days wandering around and talking to locals
Posted on 11/7/23 at 12:49 pm to Ingeniero
So you didn’t go to St. Peter’s when you went to Rome?
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:23 am to Slippy
My job is visitor research for tourist development in Florida. I spend most of the day tracking tourism trends.
In 2019 there was a large degree of tourism fatigue in many destinations. The worlds middle class has grown so much that 1 billion people traveled internationally. While Covid put a pause on that pent up demand and people being financially well off has caused a flood in travel the last couple years. Part of the problem as other posters have pointed out is that all these people are going to the same places. Zig when everyone is zagging is a great strategy. For instance Montana is a very popular destination right now but many of the experiences and most of the scenery they are seeking can easily be found in Idaho at a much lower price with less crowds.
Destinations that live off tourism are becoming more than usually sick of tourists. Key West residents voted in 2020 to stop accepting cruise ships at the two government controlled piers and cruise ships can only dock at the one privately owned and controlled pier now. Venice is another place that changed its cruise ship policies. Other destinations are placing limits and bans on AirB&B’s. Tourism fatigue is a real thing.
In 2019 there was a large degree of tourism fatigue in many destinations. The worlds middle class has grown so much that 1 billion people traveled internationally. While Covid put a pause on that pent up demand and people being financially well off has caused a flood in travel the last couple years. Part of the problem as other posters have pointed out is that all these people are going to the same places. Zig when everyone is zagging is a great strategy. For instance Montana is a very popular destination right now but many of the experiences and most of the scenery they are seeking can easily be found in Idaho at a much lower price with less crowds.
Destinations that live off tourism are becoming more than usually sick of tourists. Key West residents voted in 2020 to stop accepting cruise ships at the two government controlled piers and cruise ships can only dock at the one privately owned and controlled pier now. Venice is another place that changed its cruise ship policies. Other destinations are placing limits and bans on AirB&B’s. Tourism fatigue is a real thing.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:28 am to wiltznucs
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MHO…. We’re only a year away from this no longer being an issue. The data is pretty clear that many of those traveling are going into significant credit card debt to do so. Even the airlines are expecting serious pullback which is why we’re seeing travel deals popping up left and right. They know the gig is about to be up
In 2023 international travel completely dominated the travel market. The discounts you are seeing in the last quarter of 2023 are for domestic travel. Many big companies are trying to balance their domestic side of the ledger and they are using incentives to do it.
The idea that the consumer is running out of money is more of a political narrative than an economic reality. Banks are still saying that the average balance is higher than it was in 2019.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 2:51 pm to GOP_Tiger
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In contrast, the domestic destinations that were overcrowded during the pandemic, such as Hawaii and Orlando, have seen extremely low numbers lately.
Yea just got back from Hawaii and it was not crowded at all. But still expensive AF.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 6:03 am to vistajay
We’ve wanted to do the Greek islands for years but have shied away because of the reports of how crowded it’s gotten from influencers and instagram whores and whatnot. Leaning more towards Africa for the next big trip
Posted on 11/11/23 at 7:28 am to Slippy
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Too many people are traveling, and it is ruining travel.
I have gone to Fieberbrunn, Austria in August 7 times since 2009(13 times total). It is targeted travel to attend a festival there. There have never been so many tourists before this year. It was the week that most are Austrians are traveling but this was very different from all years before. Cyclists were everywhere. Hiking trails were packed.
There were 2 reserved tables at the local pizza joint. All restaurants were packed every evening. I may have to alter my expectations of "having the village to myself".
Posted on 11/11/23 at 6:51 pm to 2 Jugs
Why is international travel surprising this year? 2 years almost in a row of no travel internationally for many people.
Even within Europe you figure it’s like the people within the US, many crazies didn’t want to leave their own states.
Even within Europe you figure it’s like the people within the US, many crazies didn’t want to leave their own states.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:56 am to cfish140
Go to Andros. It’s a Greek island and hardly anyone who isn’t Greek vacations there. Leave Santorini and Mykonos to the influencer set.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 12:35 pm to baldona
The noticeable increase in visitors is what surprised me. Even my friend who lives in Fieberbrunn agreed that the amount was considerably more this year. Driving on the Grossglockner was a little nerve wracking with so many bicyclists and motorcyclists.
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