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re: Apple Or Android? May The Battle Continue.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Users have long been frustrated by discrepancies when sending messages between Apple and non-Apple products, including lower media quality, diminished editing capabilities and even different colors for the messages themselves. Garland said those issues were examples of Apple degrading users' experience to entice them to stay in the company's ecosystem.
This is a weird attack considering they announced they will be integrating RCS this year. They knew that Europe would force this and already announced they were integrating it into iMessage, ole Garland is a bit behind.
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 12:38 pm
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:44 pm to CAD703X
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slowflo is an idiot if he's laughing at the comment about apple deliberately degrading photos & videos to the point they're unwatchable on android phones.
It's pretty absurd this is part of the basis of an anti-trust lawsuit, and I'm no Apple fanboy.
And there was already movement on Apple joining modernity in messaging formats.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:46 pm to Dam Guide
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This is a weird attack considering they announced they will be integrating RCS this year.
Exactly.
The fact this lawsuit references "green bubbles" delegitimizes the entire thing a bit. Sounds like they wrote it for 2nd graders.
There is some actual meat to go after, no need to frame your petition from absurdistan.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There is some actual meat to go after, no need to frame your petition from absurdistan.
Where you go after would be more like not allowing other app store restrictions, some of the limiting access to some of the tech built into the iphone like tap to pay.
There are numerous messaging apps on the iphone, they don't hold a monopoly there. Discord, snapchat, whatsapp, facebook messenger, telegram, hell even google voice is on there to name a few. Plenty of options not to deal with green bubbles and low quality images/videos. Old boomers stuck in their text messaging world apparently.
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:21 pm to Dam Guide
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There are numerous messaging apps on the iphone, they don't hold a monopoly there. Discord, snapchat, whatsapp, facebook messenger, telegram, hell even google voice is on there to name a few. Plenty of options not to deal with green bubbles and low quality images/videos. Old boomers stuck in their text messaging world apparently.
Wrong, your solution requires both parties to use alternate means of communicating. The issue is not that they are being anti-competitve in messaging platforms, but specifically anti-competitive in how Apple degrades the experience for SMS/MMS messaging between Apple and non-Apple users. Apple and non-Apple users can't just download another app to get a non-degraded experience when sending/receiving SMS/MMS messages, a basic, paid for and primary feature of your cellular plan as well as the primary means of communicating in the US via text.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:51 pm to Fat Batman
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but specifically anti-competitive in how Apple degrades the experience for SMS/MMS messaging between Apple and non-Apple users.
SMS/MMS are different standards than RCS, Apple does not degrade them. You get the full operating capabilities of both of these standards.
Apple hasn't integrated the RCS into their messaging app. If you are going to call someone wrong, at least know what you are talking about.
RCS is more akin to iMessage/WhatsApp/etc. It is not the same as SMS/MMS. It is not a pay extra feature as it is included in your data plan. That's why carriers don't really give a crap about it and why it is way more important for Google.
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 3/21/24 at 2:17 pm to Dam Guide
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SMS/MMS are different standards than RCS, Apple does not degrade them. You get the full operating capabilities of both of these standards.
Agreed. Again, I'm no Apple fanboy, but they're choosing to lessen the native messaging for their customers in exchange for better integration in the ecosystem.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 2:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but they're choosing to lessen the native messaging for their customers in exchange for better integration in the ecosystem.
*intentionally lessening the native messaging experience, to sell more iPhones.
they could, and will, integrate RCS into the ecosystem just as gracefully.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 2:29 pm to Fat Batman
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they could, and will, integrate RCS into the ecosystem just as gracefully.
They are integrating it. The whole USB C dicking around they did and the EU smacking them made them go ahead and already announce it is coming this year to iPhones.
RCS doesn't even have market share in most of the EU though. Whatsapp is king there. I don't see this one as a need for government intervention in this country.
Would it and will it be nice to have RCS on all phones, absolutely. I just don't agree with government intervention to make it happen.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 4:33 pm to Korkstand
quote:High quality ones made by Google? Like, why isn't there a Pixel tab with this feature?
There are tons of Android tablets with cellular...
Posted on 3/21/24 at 4:36 pm to Dam Guide
quote:Oh yeah - forgot to mention the situation with Apple chargers over the years.
USB C
Posted on 3/21/24 at 8:50 pm to Dam Guide
Funny how Google won't release API for RCS to other apps like textra.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 9:26 am to prplhze2000
Isn't RCS a protocol, for which Google has developed their own implementation for Messages? Apple would likely develop their own implementation as well, as Im sure anyone who interfaces with the RCS protocol has done. If thats the case I don't see the irony as I would expect implementations of the protocol to have the ability to be proprietary. Now if governments want to take on opening up proprietary messaging api's to third party developers thats a whole other can of worms than ensuring all mobile devices can interface with a global standard for native messaging.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 1:01 pm to Fat Batman
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Isn't RCS a protocol, for which Google has developed their own implementation for Messages? Apple would likely develop their own implementation as well, as Im sure anyone who interfaces with the RCS protocol has done. If thats the case I don't see the irony as I would expect implementations of the protocol to have the ability to be proprietary. Now if governments want to take on opening up proprietary messaging api's to third party developers thats a whole other can of worms than ensuring all mobile devices can interface with a global standard for native messaging.
Google has Jibe which is what some/most of the major carriers use in the USA for Android phones. Be interesting to see what happens how Apple comes in on this, their own branch or universal profile is likely.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 3/22/24 at 1:14 pm to Dam Guide
yeah I could see fragmentation causing issues between implementations moving forward as new features roll out or as its getting spun up. but i think that is bearable, I can wait for the newest confetti reaction to hit my device. The thing Im not looking forward to with the integration is iPhone users being able to see my read receipts, typing etc.. Its funny I actually prefer, minus videos, texting with iPhone users than other Android users because of the lack of those kind of intrusive features that obviously had to be the idea of someone's gf or wife . 
Posted on 3/22/24 at 1:49 pm to Fat Batman
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yeah I could see fragmentation causing issues between implementations moving forward as new features roll out or as its getting spun up. but i think that is bearable, I can wait for the newest confetti reaction to hit my device. The thing Im not looking forward to with the integration is iPhone users being able to see my read receipts, typing etc.. Its funny I actually prefer, minus videos, texting with iPhone users than other Android users because of the lack of those kind of intrusive features that obviously had to be the idea of someone's gf or wife
My biggest want it to be able to leave a fricking group chat when it's mixed
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 3/22/24 at 3:29 pm to Fat Batman
I emailed Textra about RCS this week. Response:
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he RCS interfaces (APIs) on Android are currently *only* available for Google to use, no other third party developer has access. Thus, currently on Google Play, the only third-party SMS app to provide RCS functionality is the Messages by Google app.
We are hopeful Google will make these RCS interfaces available in the near future, so that Textra SMS can also offer RCS functionality.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 12:25 pm to Dam Guide
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There are numerous messaging apps on the iphone, they don't hold a monopoly there. Discord, snapchat, whatsapp, facebook messenger, telegram, hell even google voice is on there to name a few. Plenty of options not to deal with green bubbles and low quality images/videos. Old boomers stuck in their text messaging world apparently.
You going to get all your contacts to switch to your messaging platform of choice? Otherwise you get stuck with the crap.
Apple deserves what it gets, although Google isn't any better; they rigged their stuff to not work with the windows phone back in the day.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 1:05 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
It's a pick your poison kind of thing. I don't play favorites.
I will admit that I've been wanting to get a pixel and play around with it as a side project. Graphene OS looks like something I could get behind, but I honestly don't know how "worth it" it is.
I will admit that I've been wanting to get a pixel and play around with it as a side project. Graphene OS looks like something I could get behind, but I honestly don't know how "worth it" it is.
Posted on 3/24/24 at 1:56 am to Torbemsti80
Well it's official, Android is for the poors and "certain demographics" etc... And leftist policies couldn't possibly be at play in these anti trust claims could they?
LINK
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Apple’s ‘green bubble’ Android texts fuel ‘social stigma,’ DOJ claims in landmark suit
By Social Links for Thomas Barrabi
Published March 22, 2024, 11:07 a.m. ET
The Justice Department called out Apple for afflicting Android smartphone users with the dreaded “green bubble” in text messages — calling it a mark of “social stigma, exclusion and blame” as part of its landmark antitrust case against the iPhone maker.
“Green bubble” status has long been a source of mockery online, with some women even jokingly declaring that they find men who own Androids less attractive.
In the past, Apple rivals like Google have demanded that the company “fix” texting.
“Many non-iPhone users also experience social stigma, exclusion, and blame for ‘breaking’ chats where other participants own iPhones,” the lawsuit claimed, adding that the effect is “particularly powerful for certain demographics, like teenagers.”
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Apple said the “lawsuit threatens who we are and the principles that set Apple products apart in fiercely competitive markets” and vowed to challenge the assertations.
“If successful, it would hinder our ability to create the kind of technology people expect from Apple —where hardware, software, and services intersect,” the company said in a statement.
“It would also set a dangerous precedent, empowering government to take a heavy hand in designing people’s technology.
LINK
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 2:25 am
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