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re: I don’t watch a ton of soccer but for the life of me
Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:38 pm to Clockwatcher68
Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:38 pm to Clockwatcher68
Daylight between the second to last defender sounds like the move. I think that will make a huge difference
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Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:40 pm to TigrrrDad
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ETA: So if a defender is at a disadvantage and is going to get beat, he can just choose not to defend because the offensive player can’t legally be past him.
Yes, it’s called an offside trap.
This was changed decades… maybe a century ago, because teams would leave I guy in the box and boot it to them. Score. It’s not new… it’s just that this GD fricking VAR has ruined it all.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:44 pm to tgrgrd00
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But whatever, you don't have to watch if you don't like it. Nobody really cares.
It’s actually been a fun watch. I’ve watched a WC game or two in the past, and I realize how big the audiences for soccer are globally. But I didn’t realize how big of a spectacle the WC was as a whole. It’s been a joy to see the stories from the foreign fans traveling and experiencing so much of our country (I didn’t realize the venues would be so widespread). I’ve enjoyed the Haaland phenomenon and have watched games to see Ronaldo and Messi as well.
It’s just frustrating as hell to see Ronaldo break free, receive a pass, score a goal, and then it doesn’t count.
Lots of great sports overseas. I’m a huge MotoGP fan and almost no one in the US knows a thing about MotoGP. But they reach 340 million viewers in over 200 countries.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:48 pm to Clockwatcher68
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Canada league will trial the “daylight” offside rule next season. Will only be offside if there is daylight between you and the 2nd to last defender (goalkeeper is usually the last defender). Apparently there is support in fifa to change to that if it works out.
I’m glad I made it this far into the thread, because I would have looked like a jackass proposing this exact thing, not realizing it was already a thing
But yeah, what I was going to say was that I think people get frustrated by how it’s defined, as your margin for error as an attacker is so small. A daylight rule gets rid of cherry picking while punishing flat footed defenders and rewarding aggression, as you can “beat” a defender and still have a foot or two of wiggle.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:49 pm to ghoast
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it’s just that this GD fricking VAR has ruined it all.
Maybe it's just me but getting offside calls right is the best part of VAR...it's cut and dry with modern technology.
This BS where refs let shite go and let VAR officiate the game is where it frustrates me.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:49 pm to BamaChemE
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How people find that more complicated than offside or icing in hockey, I’m not sure.
Offsides in hockey is simpler. You just can't cross the blue line before the puck does.
In soccer it's a moving line and is relative to both the ball and the opponents.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:57 pm to TigrrrDad
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It’s why soccer will never gain an audience in a country with options.
Do you live under a rock?
The popularity of soccer since 94 in this country hasn't remained static. And it won't after this one.
I don't watch MLS. I watch the premier league and CL. So I watch soccer but wouldn't be included in the MLS viewers numbers. And the MLS has grown in popularity anyway.
With immigration, the Mexican league is very popular in the US.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:59 pm to TigrrrDad
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the global audience would double overnight
The casuals are out in force tonight
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:01 pm to subotic
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Maybe it's just me but getting offside calls right is the best part of VAR...it's cut and dry with modern technology.
This BS where refs let shite go and let VAR officiate the game is where it frustrates me.
If that was the US they scored on. Id be livid if var didn't check it.
The guy was way offsides. The question was just whether the other player flicked it on.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:03 pm to dgnx6
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The guy was way offsides. The question was just whether the other player flicked it on.
He wasn't offsides when the ball was kicked. He was the first Croatian player to touch the ball.
He should have been ruled onsides.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:11 pm to magildachunks
For Croatia he was onside when the ball was kicked, however the accelerometer inside the ball detected the touch of the other Croatian player first. That touch is what put him offside. Had the Portugal player touched it instead he would have been still been onside and the goal stood.
As far as the Ronaldo offside. I've been called for that close of offside playing forward and I've also used that rule to my advantage playing sweeper. If you see a guy sprinting down the middle you can step up before the ball is passed to him catching him offside (offside trap). As a forward you beat this by running across the field to get speed and as soon as your teammate passes the ball you turn towards goal. You have more speed than the defender and can get advantage to reach the ball first.
As far as the Ronaldo offside. I've been called for that close of offside playing forward and I've also used that rule to my advantage playing sweeper. If you see a guy sprinting down the middle you can step up before the ball is passed to him catching him offside (offside trap). As a forward you beat this by running across the field to get speed and as soon as your teammate passes the ball you turn towards goal. You have more speed than the defender and can get advantage to reach the ball first.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:12 pm to dgnx6
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The popularity of soccer since 94 in this country hasn't remained static. And it won't after this one.
Newest polling of young americans has revealed that a higher percentage consider soccer as their favorite sport than baseball.
While football and basketball still dwarf all other sports as the first and second favorite, soccer now comes in third as the favorite sport among young americans with 10% of those polled saying it's their favorite sport compared to just under 9% saying baseball is their favorite.
Soccer will eventually surpass the MLB in America. As the younger generations grow up, and the older generations die out, baseball will fall into the realm of Hockey amongst money an fan involvement.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:15 pm to magildachunks
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I've watched American Football my entire life and for the life of me I can't figure what constitutes a catch.
Perfect example of irony. Soccer fans complain about that and American Football fans complain about offsides in soccer. Fact is all sports have some subjective rules that just don't make sense.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:18 pm to mchias1
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nside the ball detected the touch of the other Croatian player first. That touch is what put him offside. Had the Portugal player touched it instead he would have been still been onside and the goal stood.
That's what I'm saying: the other croatian player never touched the ball, the portuguese player is the only one who touched it.
The video from behind the goal showed it perfectly. The ball went over the croatian player's shoulder and glanced off the top of the defender's head as he was falling to the ground.
They fricked up the call because they went with sensor readings synced to a video showing the wrong angle. The most shown video and angle was from the sideline and above, where you could only see the ball enter a crowd, but couldnt determine who touched it.
That angle from the goal was clear as day that the ball went over the shoulder, never touching the head of the croatian player.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:20 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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In soccer it's a moving line and is relative to both the ball and the opponents
Yep.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:21 pm to TigrrrDad
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The cherry picking argument just doesn’t hold up. In basketball, a guy can just stand by his goal. But then the other team would just stand someone next to him. And it just means it’s 4 vs. 4 instead of 5 vs. 5 at the other end. No advantage or disadvantage for either team.
Like others have said. Offside is actually there to make the game more watchable and exciting for fans.
I wish someone would set up a soccer match with no offside and put it on youtube just for new watchers to realize how much of the best parts of the game would disappear.
It wouldn't necessarily produce more goals either since, like you say, it would just mean defenders were always staying back instead of supporting the attack.
It only appears that it would produce more goals because defenders are counting on it being called in the first place.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:22 pm to TigrrrDad
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This just makes zero sense to me. The entire point of ball sports is to break free from the defender.
If you don’t understand the rule that’s one thing.
If you don’t understand the “why” then maybe this isn’t the sport for you. Perhaps you’d enjoy men’s over 40 pickup basketball more.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:22 pm to TigrrrDad
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No it wouldn’t - that would be like QBs throwing Hail Marys every play. There would be little sense in bombing soccer passes down the field for 50/50 balls. Moving it downfield in a controlled manner most of the time would still be the more successful strategy - just like football (real football).
You are clearly retarded and keep making dumbass comparisons to other sports that don’t make sense. Soccer is not football. It’s a fluid game that never stops and is nothing like football. Hail Mary’s are a last ditch effort in football and the play is over if the ball is not caught. Now pretend that it isn’t, and anyone can just grab the ball after it hits the ground and run it into the end zone to score. Hail Mary’s would be thrown all the time if that were the case which would make the game boring.
You are incapable of understanding any of this, so just do yourself a favor and give up on trying.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:58 pm to bbap
If you didn’t have offsides it would be teams just kicking the shite out of the ball from end to end.
No one wants that.
No offside would make the game absurd.
No one wants that.
No offside would make the game absurd.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 10:23 pm to nicholastiger
I love how there is offsides or positional rules in almost every damn sport but this is the only one people ever bitch about
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