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re: Arsenal 2014/15 Season Long Thread
Posted on 10/5/14 at 5:04 pm to FirstRoundPick
Posted on 10/5/14 at 5:04 pm to FirstRoundPick
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Playing Everton, Man City, Spurs and Chelsea all the the first 7 games. When was the last time we had such a difficult start to a league season? Toughest start for any top 8 or so side this season by far.
Exactly my point. Take some positives people. It is a long season.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 11:00 pm to glassman
Forgot to record the game, pissed at myself. Did we even put up a fight or were we outclassed? Reading reports make it seem like it was closer than the 2-0 score line.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 11:10 pm to dgnx6
It was a pretty even game but they had two outstanding moments and we had none.
They have a better squad. We aren't the best team in the league though I think we will only get better as the year goes on.
They have a better squad. We aren't the best team in the league though I think we will only get better as the year goes on.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:08 am to dgnx6
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Did we even put up a fight or were we outclassed?
It was pretty damn even for the most part outside of the tremendous run from Hazard that caused the penalty.
We just couldn't find that right pass in the final 3rd.
Arsene's subs were head scratching though.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:03 am to RTR America
reading more it looks like we had moment like that with wilshere, just didnt convert.
Looks like kos is taking some heat, im assuming he caused the pk.
Looks like kos is taking some heat, im assuming he caused the pk.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:06 am to dgnx6
Yes, we were competitive and matched Chelsea physically.
With our typical run of injuries, once again, I am simply hoping for a top four finish.
This gets old after awhile ... I keep thinking one day we're going to have the depth befitting one of the top clubs in the world who yearly should be competing for multiple trophies.
With our typical run of injuries, once again, I am simply hoping for a top four finish.
This gets old after awhile ... I keep thinking one day we're going to have the depth befitting one of the top clubs in the world who yearly should be competing for multiple trophies.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:23 am to dgnx6
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Looks like kos is taking some heat, im assuming he caused the pk.
There really wasn't much else he could do there imo.
A couple positives for me was the surprising play of Flamini (though he could have pressed Cesc a bit harder on his assist), how well Welbeck and Alexis track back, and how well we handled Chelsea's initial pressing play.
I don't know if it was having Santi/Flamini back there over Ramsey/Arteta, but they handled it much better than we did against Dortmund.
Ozil was dreadful for the most part sadly.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:01 am to dgnx6
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Looks like kos is taking some heat, im assuming he caused the pk.
I was more upset with how badly Costa beat him on the second goal. I always thought his best skill was recovering after getting beat initially, but Costa just burned him.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:47 am to DestrehanTiger
i don't blame kos on the pk. he either commits the foul or hazard is in on goal (though hazard's last touch wasn't great and probably saved kos from a red).
i thought we played fairly well. we played them even. they just took two chances and we wasted ours. that costa chances wasn't any better than alexis' or jack's he just controlled it perfectly in between our 2 CBs and szcz was in no man's land.
i knew we were finished when they brought mikel on. there was a lot of space to work with as cesc at CM. a shame we couldn't capitalize.
thought atkinson was pretty awful overall yesterday and should probably get a week off. i think it hurts us in big matches that these refs are cautious (at least when it comes to physical or cynical play against us) with cards. two straight matches where alexis was lucky to escape without serious injury is frustrating too. that constant fouling does get to us and i don't feel like that's adequately policed by refs. and it leads to us making stupid, reckless challenges out of frustration. (see: rosicky last year, welbz this year)
i thought we played fairly well. we played them even. they just took two chances and we wasted ours. that costa chances wasn't any better than alexis' or jack's he just controlled it perfectly in between our 2 CBs and szcz was in no man's land.
i knew we were finished when they brought mikel on. there was a lot of space to work with as cesc at CM. a shame we couldn't capitalize.
thought atkinson was pretty awful overall yesterday and should probably get a week off. i think it hurts us in big matches that these refs are cautious (at least when it comes to physical or cynical play against us) with cards. two straight matches where alexis was lucky to escape without serious injury is frustrating too. that constant fouling does get to us and i don't feel like that's adequately policed by refs. and it leads to us making stupid, reckless challenges out of frustration. (see: rosicky last year, welbz this year)
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:53 am to Friend of OBUDan
According to Arlo White: When asked why he did not sign Fabregas, Arsene Wegner replied, "because we have Mesut Ozil."
Funny. As much as Arsene likes to try to prove he is a genius by playing players out of position, it seems that having Fabregas aboard would have given him one more piece to play with.
Funny. As much as Arsene likes to try to prove he is a genius by playing players out of position, it seems that having Fabregas aboard would have given him one more piece to play with.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:59 am to timlan2057
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This gets old after awhile ... I keep thinking one day we're going to have the depth befitting one of the top clubs in the world who yearly should be competing for multiple trophies.
Exactly my thoughts.
From a team/squad standpoint, it's clear that there has been a major shift since the summer of 2012 when Van Persie was the last big player to be sold in that Arsenal are no longer selling off their top talent, but instead making moves to lock up our top players already in the team to new long-term contracts while also improving the overall quality and depth of the squad in the transfer market.
What's frustrating I'm sure to all Arsenal fans like myself is seeing how some clubs will go out and address all of their needs in one transfer window (i.e. Chelsea, City, etc.), while Arsenal/Wenger chooses to address those needs systematically over a longer period of time and using 2 or 3 summer windows to build the kind of squad we need to compete on all fronts.
With recent news of Giroud being signed to a new 4-year contract and Arteta adding a 1-year extension to his deal, it looks like the last key current player that needs to be locked up long-term is Theo Walcott. And by all reports, that is not expected to drag out very long once talks begin.
Aside from extending contracts to players already in the team, it's exciting to now see Arsenal going out and buying big players in the transfer market, though I wish we would just address every need all in one window to give us the best opportunity to compete with the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City right now this season. But you can see from buying Ozil in 2013 to bringing in Alexis, Welbeck, Debuchy, Chambers, and Ospina this summer that we are moving in the right direction that we will soon (hopefully) have that type of quality and depth in the squad that we will be able to compete to win all competitions.
If what has been shown over the past two summer transfer windows continues next year, my hope is that we will see the remaining key pieces brought in to shore up the defense, particularly that imposing holding midfielder we all crave and cover in central defense. It's also going to come to a point where we will need to be looking for a long-term first-team replacement for Per Mertesacker, as he's now 30 and not getting any faster with age.
Like timlan2057 says, my hope for this year is that we do remain in the Top 4, perhaps advance to at least the quarterfinals of the Champions League, and put up a worthy defense of our FA Cup. It's evident at this stage that we don't have all the positions covered to be able to compete for the Premier League in 2014-15.
But in 2015-16, who knows? Perhaps we will add 2-3 more key pieces we are missing to have that title-contending squad we deserve.
Anybody else in the thread have any other thoughts on this, or am I living in fantasy camp thinking we're just 1 year away from being able to challenge in each of these competitions?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:09 am to FirstRoundPick
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key pieces brought in to shore up the defense, particularly that imposing holding midfielder we all crave and cover in central defense. It's also going to come to a point where we will need to be looking for a long-term first-team replacement for Per Mertesacker, as he's now 30 and not getting any faster with age.
Gonna be interesting to see how Chambers is handled in this situation given the fact that Arsene has said that he sees him as a DM in the future. Do we possibly just go buy a DM and eventually move Chambers to CB when Debuchy comes back?
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:50 am to FirstRoundPick
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Anybody else in the thread have any other thoughts on this, or am I living in fantasy camp thinking we're just 1 year away from being able to challenge in each of these competitions?
I think there are 2 things that will keep us from truly competing:
Problem 1: I thought this was finally the year we would compete on all fronts, but the failure to address the needs of the team is always the downfall. I don't even think we are 2-3 players away. I feel that we are 1-2.
If Chambers is a CB or a DCM, that's absolutely fine with me. I actually think he is perfect for an imposing DCM spot. However, he cannot play there if he is the only backup to the CB and the RB spot. If Chambers was set to be a CB backup or a DCM starter/backup/understudy, then there's no reason Jenkinson should have left. He was a more than formidable backup who always showed that he could provide consistent performances when given a run of games. I don't care which signing it would be (DCM or CB), but Wenger had to choose 1 and didn't. If we had that 1 and kept Jenkinson, then I think we would be competing for the league.
We aren't that young team anymore full of potential. The young guys are now the core and leaders of the team and are either entering their prime years or will be entering them within a year or two. Windows like this for a team not loaded with sugar daddy owners are not long, and ours will close fast if there is still a negligence on the needs of the team.
Problem 2: The mental barrier. We lost that Chelsea game before kickoff even began. Arsenal somehow have a complete mental block when competing against the top teams. It was evident on that field as soon as Hazard drew the penalty that the team was shaken and no longer believed they could win the game. This team believes that we can only win those games if we play perfect football, and at the first sign of imperfection, we fold. It's like that for Chelsea, Man City, and somehow Man United.
Chelsea won that game when they walked on the field. The Arsenal players never truly believed they could win that game, and it showed as soon as the penalty was given. Arsenal have to shake whatever that mental block is if there is any hope of winning any time soon.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:28 am to LSUGooner
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Chelsea won that game when they walked on the field. The Arsenal players never truly believed they could win that game, and it showed as soon as the penalty was given. Arsenal have to shake whatever that mental block is if there is any hope of winning any time soon.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but the mental block comes from your manager.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:35 am to RandySavage
I hate to agree with Randy but it's evident Arsene doesn't mentally prepare the team for big matches. I was impressed by how solid we played for most of the game, and there were significant stretches where we looked like the better team. But again Arsene is the reason why we are missing key components that would make this team a title contender. Also, Mou is the better tactician, although I don't blame tactics for our loss yesterday, except for Ozil again not being played centrally.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:09 pm to cwil177
i don't think that narrative works for yesterday. i thought arsene showed a lack of composure, but the team itself didn't play like it was mentally unprepared. in other matches, i think that line of thought has some merit. didn't see that yesterday.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:27 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Didn't look that way against City either.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:51 pm to RTR America
I thought you guys played pretty well, but for whatever reason, nobody actually wanted to take a shot.. too many passes in the box..
Unfortunately, Chelsea finally addressed their need with their purchases from Spain this summer..
Unfortunately, Chelsea finally addressed their need with their purchases from Spain this summer..
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:57 pm to TFTC
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but for whatever reason, nobody actually wanted to take a shot.. too many passes in the box..
We've done this in a couple of games hence 4 draws. The 2 games where that hasn't been the case were against Villa and Gala, where Ozil was shockingly playing in the middle.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:02 pm to RTR America
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The 2 games where that hasn't been the case were against Villa and Gala, where Ozil was shockingly playing in the middle.
It isn't difficult to figure out. Mesut has to be played as a number 10. We are so much better when he does.
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