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re: You vax clown-experts, get in here and explain your stance
Posted on 9/20/21 at 5:25 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 9/20/21 at 5:25 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I have next to no fear about what the vaccine might do to me. However, as a 39 year old in decent shape with no health conditions I have even less fear about what COVID may do to me.
Further, given the absolute failure of the vaccine to "stop the spread" I have zero incentive to take the shot and therefore I won't do it.
That clear anything up for you?
Further, given the absolute failure of the vaccine to "stop the spread" I have zero incentive to take the shot and therefore I won't do it.
That clear anything up for you?
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Posted on 9/20/21 at 5:31 pm to chaad
quote:
Eli FingerNugget circa 1692
“I’m genuinely curious as to why you think burning this witch now won’t save our children. What’s the big deal?”
quote:Hello """chaad"""
chaad
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 9/20/21 at 5:46 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
I know the vaccinated have much better “worst case scenarios” than the nonvaxed.
The worst case scenario for both the vaxxed and non-vaxxed is the same, death.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 5:50 pm to Eli Goldfinger
First off please give us the vaccine contraindications so that we can make a fair assessment.
How about any long term consequences we need to be informed about?
How about any long term consequences we need to be informed about?
Posted on 9/20/21 at 5:54 pm to Eli Goldfinger
All animal trials of mRNA vaccines ended with dead animals due to ADE. That’s the shitshow many of us have been warning about and fear the most.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 5:54 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I work at a university. Have had multiple biologists say they wouldn't get it.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 5:57 pm to bamacoullion
quote:
You mean the trials when all the ferrets died after being subjected to a different wild virus???
Yes that is some of the trials.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 5:59 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
I’m genuinely curious as to what is the mechanism by which the mrna vaccines become deadly in the future.
That’s a really good question. However, it can not be answered. There is no longer a control group from the clinical trials for the vaccines as they vaccinated them once the EUA was granted.
Thus, we will never be able to get concrete answers as any adverse event is easily dismissed as a normal disease process of humans.
The more important and relevant question is, “why did they stop the control group?
Posted on 9/20/21 at 6:26 pm to deathvalleytiger10
I can't say anything to the claims that in 5 yrs there will be serious problems with the vax'd. Ignoring that, there are plenty of reasons to be concerned that have been discussed.
-no human MRNA vax has been successful, and the same is true for animal trials. None have been successful and ADE was the cause for failure. Even the current CDC director is raising concerns from Israeli data. Yet we are taking it on faith that this won't happen.
MRNA Vax and ADE
-there were issues with ADE in animal trials, but they don't know if there will be the same issues with the human MRNA therapy. This is not a vaccine in a typical definition of a vaccine and it is not a standard method used in creating vaccines. This genetic therapeutic and doesn't halt the virus and certainly hasn't been successful against Delta.
Israil (August)
-If you ignore ADE, ignore that no mRNA vax has been successful in animals or humans, what about the side affects it is causing by the thousands. Issues are popping up all over the place with side affects and are ignored by the media.
-The vax is apparently not successful at beating Delta in Israel and England as they are seeing huge numbers of vaccinated in the hospital.
-no human MRNA vax has been successful, and the same is true for animal trials. None have been successful and ADE was the cause for failure. Even the current CDC director is raising concerns from Israeli data. Yet we are taking it on faith that this won't happen.
MRNA Vax and ADE
-there were issues with ADE in animal trials, but they don't know if there will be the same issues with the human MRNA therapy. This is not a vaccine in a typical definition of a vaccine and it is not a standard method used in creating vaccines. This genetic therapeutic and doesn't halt the virus and certainly hasn't been successful against Delta.
Israil (August)
-If you ignore ADE, ignore that no mRNA vax has been successful in animals or humans, what about the side affects it is causing by the thousands. Issues are popping up all over the place with side affects and are ignored by the media.
-The vax is apparently not successful at beating Delta in Israel and England as they are seeing huge numbers of vaccinated in the hospital.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 7:33 pm to Statestreet
quote:
How about any long term consequences we need to be informed about?
This is the problem. They can't tell us because they do not know. There hasn't been a successful human trial nor a successful animal trial. ADE did these trials in for human and animal.
Even if successful trials were done there isn't any knowledge on long term effects.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 7:54 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
I’m expecting tons of downvotes but not 1 plausible answer.
I don’t claim to know the future.
What I do know is that mRNA has been around for years...but not as a vaccine nor with the delivery mechanism currently used (at least as I understand it). As such, if what I believe is correct, then stating that no future issues will arise is speculation. That speculation is based on knowing the different facets of this vaccine. Logically, if each facet can individually be predicted to a degree, then one can propose a theory as to how all of the different facets would act together.
However, it is still just a an educated guess (albeit, probably a very good guess).
Had I not had Covid, I would have gotten the vaccine. However, I must admit, I would have done so with a sizable degree of trepidation.
Nobody can predict with 100% certainty what the impact of the vaccines will be in the future.
What I feel certain about now is that currently, these vaccines are mitigating the impacts of Covid for a high percentage of people.
Are those results what water originally toted, nope. But they still seem to work quite well...for now at least. Just my .02.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 7:59 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Your plausible answer: if the mRNA integrates into your genome - one of your chromosomes - for the purpose of spitting out copies of itself and the eventual production of antibodies raised to the protein those copies produce - AND IT IS DESIGNED TO DO THAT - then it may be integrating in a section of DNA ( gene) responsible for a protein required for proper metabolism.
If it does so, then it disrupts the production of that protein, disrupting metabolism.
That was easy
If it does so, then it disrupts the production of that protein, disrupting metabolism.
That was easy
Posted on 9/20/21 at 8:14 pm to Eli Goldfinger
you made your choice, only 1 of 2 things will happen
don't worry yourself anymore about it and keep on living to a crusty old age
or
get the doc to explain how they killed you, right before you expire
that's it, that's all there is
don't worry yourself anymore about it and keep on living to a crusty old age
or
get the doc to explain how they killed you, right before you expire
that's it, that's all there is
Posted on 9/20/21 at 8:31 pm to Eli Goldfinger
They never worked before this time per a MD Med School prof friend in Texas. They killed all the lab animals.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 8:40 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Moderna and Pfizer should waive their liability protections if they are confident that their vaccines will not cause complications in the future.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 6:53 am to DemGaters
OP appears to be a hit-and-run vaxhumper.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 7:04 am to MrRight85
quote:which pretty much leads us where we need to be - superior humankind choice!
As you completely ignore the millions of recovered patients with natural immunity!
Natural immunity since Jan 2020!
Natural immunity FREEDOM since Jan 2020!
The totalitarian bent of those demanding vacc, in this thread and elsewhere, has always been the heart of this issue.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 7:04 am to OccamsStubble
quote:
then it may be integrating in a section of DNA ( gene) responsible for a protein required for proper metabolism.
Lol.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 7:06 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Hello """chaad"""
Hello “”””””””NC_Tigah”””””””””””
Posted on 9/21/21 at 7:08 am to hendersonshands
Oh what a surprise that you’re simping for Fauci
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