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re: You Member When Kamala’s Family Owned Slaves OnTheir Plantation?

Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:55 pm to
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Well, her slave-owning ancestor WAS in an entirely different country ... so there is that.
She's already said that national borders don't mean anything. She is descended from slave owners. By her own logic, she owes reparations to the descendants of the slaves her ancestors owned.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:59 pm to
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would be quite surprised if the same is not true of 90% of Southerners.


You need to open a book sometime. Only about 25-30% of white southerners owned slaves at the start of the Civil War.

Also, it wasn’t only whites who owned slaves. There were a little under 5,000 free blacks who owned slaves themselves.

Wonder what will happen to the current day African Americans who are descended from those black slave owners when it comes time to hand out the reparations checks?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:00 pm to
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She's already said that national borders don't mean anything. She is descended from slave owners. By her own logic, she owes reparations to the descendants of the slaves her ancestors owned.


Wonder if she believes the white part of her owes the black part of her reparations?
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:05 pm to
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Also, it wasn’t only whites who owned slaves. There were a little under 5,000 free blacks who owned slaves themselves.
Also, all 5 of the so-called Civilized Tribes of Native Americans owned slaves (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole).

quote:

Native American ownership of black slaves came about as a way for Native Americans to illustrate their societal sophistication to white settlers. “They were working hard to comply with government dictates that told native people that in order to be protected and secure in their land base, they had to prove their level of ‘civilization,’” Miles explained.

In capitalism-crazed America, slaves became tokens of economic success. The more slaves you owned, the more serious a businessperson you were, and the more serious a businessperson you were, the fitter you were to join the ranks of “civilized society.” It’s worth remembering, as Paul Chaat Smith says, that while most Native Americans did not own slaves, neither did most Mississippi whites. Slave ownership was a serious status symbol.

Smith and Miles agree that much of early American history is explained poorly by modern morality but effectively by simple economics and power dynamics. “The Cherokee owned slaves for the same reasons their white neighbors did. They knew exactly what they were doing. In truth,” Smith said, the Cherokee and other “Civilized Tribes were not that complicated. They were willful and determined oppressors of blacks they owned, enthusiastic participants in a global economy driven by cotton, and believers in the idea that they were equal to whites and superior to blacks.”

Smithsonian
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:08 pm to
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Wonder if she believes the white part of her owes the black part of her reparations?


Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:44 pm to
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You need to open a book sometime. Only about 25-30% of white southerners owned slaves at the start of the Civil War.
yes, about that percent of individuals and a bit less than half of family units on any given census period. Now, add the fact that slavery lasted about 200 years and that some families would have owned slaves on one generation and not in others.

Now, add the fact that slavery ended approximately 8 generations ago, meaning that you have 256 ancestors in that generation alone.

Now, add another ten generations or so back to the BEGINNING of North American slavery, and you have a bit more than 100,000 southern ancestors. Now, ask what the chances might be that NONE of those 100,000 was one of the (conservatively) 1/4 who owned slaves. Statistically, the chances are essentially zero.

Maybe YOU should read a math text. Idiot.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:51 pm to
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Wonder what will happen to the current day African Americans who are descended from those black slave owners when it comes time to hand out the reparations checks?
First, a modern Black descended from one of the rare Black slave owners will have 20 or 100 slaves in his family tree for each slave owner.

Second, reparations in general are a stupid concept 8 generations after the fact, but no one is realistically proposing that individual descendants of slave owners write checks to individual descendants of slaves. IF anything is done, it will be some governmental program funded from general revenue directed at historically Black communities. No one is getting a check and using it to buy an Impala.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:51 pm to
Thanks for the history lesson. Now GFY
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:54 pm to
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Thanks for the history lesson. Now GFY
yet another demonstration that the far-Right, SoCon cheer squad does not really concern itself much with facts.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:56 pm to
Maybe. Or, I just don’t GAF about your stupid bloviating on a topic so insane, it doesn’t deserve debate. You sound like a pedo trying to justify child love.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:57 pm to
What is it that you think I am “justifying?“ I have specifically stated that the concept of reparations is a stupid one.

I am simply demonstrating how completely and totally full of shite the average poster on this forum is, when asserting “my ancestors didn’t own no slaves.“

Unless mommy and daddy moved here from the Old Country in the last generation, the odds say that, yes, at least one of your ancestors owned a slave at some point in the history of this continent
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 4:00 pm
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:00 pm to
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am simply demonstrating how completely and totally full of shite the average poster on this forum is, when asserting “my ancestors didn’t own no slaves.“


The thing is... no one wants to hear this shite. We don’t care how “full of shite” you think we are.

Got it?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:02 pm to
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no one wants to hear this shite. We don’t care how “full of shite” you think we are.

Got it?
oh, I understand completely. Those who are “full of shite“ seldom want to see that fact demonstrated with objective certainty.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:03 pm to
Lol you just upvoted yourself. Loser
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:10 pm to
Now I did, just to demonstrate that the first was not me. Idiot.

I suspect the downvote to your stupidity was the original upvote on my post.

Is it painful to be so stupid? I have often felt sympathy for you on that basis. I suspect that you must carry ibuprofen in your pocket at all times.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 4:13 pm
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46311 posts
Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:21 pm to
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Now I did, just to demonstrate that the first was not me. Idiot.


So you did upvote yourself. Loser.


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Is it painful to be so stupid? I have often felt sympathy for you on that basis. I suspect that you must carry ibuprofen in your pocket at all times.



Who tf do you think you are? No one here is so dense as to not understand the likelihood of some degree of slave owner ancestry somewhere in the family tree. We also understand that many blacks have that same ancestry, or no slave blood at all. Good luck unpacking all that, oh wise one.

Point being: who gives a shite? Except lunatics who want to hold me financially accountable for something a dead guy did. So we’ve come full circle back to GFY.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:24 pm to
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she had a slave-owning ancestor something like eight generations back.

I would be quite surprised if the same is not true of 90% of Southerners.




You're a moron
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:27 pm to
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Now I did, just to demonstrate that the first was not me. Idiot

This is tds version of "I have a black friend"
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:31 pm to
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We also understand that many blacks have that same ancestry
To a lesser degree, but absolutely true.
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or no slave blood at all.
Maybe one American Black in 10,000, but of course they exist.
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:32 pm to
But busing!
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