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re: You Member When Kamala’s Family Owned Slaves OnTheir Plantation?
Posted on 6/29/19 at 11:10 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Posted on 6/29/19 at 11:10 pm to Saint Alfonzo
No. I am not.
There are millions upon millions of black people that migrated here since the 1860’s. Many already as established family units. Look up the fourth great migration. Many married outside of their race (evident by high degrees of European DNA in most black Americans). Still others lived as free blacks in the pre civil war era and had large families. But still, no matter whose number you use, blacks are less genetically tied to slavery today than ever before.
Similarly, you can’t get from 4.9% of 9 million people in 1860 to 90% of 115 million people in 2019 either. Not when 20 million whites abandoned the south in the decades following the civil war.
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According to a Y-DNA study by Sims et al. (2007), the majority (˜60%) of African Americans belong to various subclades of the E-M2 (E1b1a1, formerly E3a) paternal haplogroup. This is the most common genetic paternal lineage found today among West/Central African males, and is also a signature of the historical Bantu migrations.
There are millions upon millions of black people that migrated here since the 1860’s. Many already as established family units. Look up the fourth great migration. Many married outside of their race (evident by high degrees of European DNA in most black Americans). Still others lived as free blacks in the pre civil war era and had large families. But still, no matter whose number you use, blacks are less genetically tied to slavery today than ever before.
Similarly, you can’t get from 4.9% of 9 million people in 1860 to 90% of 115 million people in 2019 either. Not when 20 million whites abandoned the south in the decades following the civil war.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 11:38 pm
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Posted on 6/30/19 at 5:55 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:You would need a link, but I suspect that your source actually SAYS that the average American Black has 60% sub-Saharan ancestry, rather than that only 60% of American Blacks have sub-Saharan ancestry. (The figure I have seen is about 75%. EDIT, a subsequent poster quoted the results found by various testing companies.)
maybe you can explain to us why only 60% of modern American blacks have slave ancestry when virtually 100% of American blacks in 1860 were slaves, Mr. genealogist.
If so, that simply means that the sub-Saharan ancestry of the average American Black has been diluted over time by the fact that sub-Saharan ancestors had children with persons of other ethnic backgrounds ,,, such as Native Americans and Europeans.
This post was edited on 6/30/19 at 7:23 am
Posted on 6/30/19 at 5:57 am to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Probably not
You are conflating two things. Claiming that only 60% of "modern" blacks are descended from slaves is not the same thing as saying that only 60% of the DNA of "modern" blacks are West/Central African in origin. You see the difference, right?
Posted on 6/30/19 at 6:06 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:And THEIR ancestors were brought to the Western Hemisphere as slaves ... meaning that the VAST majority of Antebellum Free Persons of Color were DESCENDED from a slave.
Still others lived as free blacks in the pre civil war era and had large families.
Yes, the rare African EARLY in the process was released from an indenture and was never enslaved, but one of two things happened to him. He and his descendants married European women and assimilated OR he and his descendants married women who were or had been slaves.
In the former case, his modern descendants are less than 1% African and consider themselves White. In the latter case, his descendants are descended BOTH from a free Black AND a slave,
This post was edited on 6/30/19 at 7:22 am
Posted on 6/30/19 at 7:10 am to AggieHank86
And you, like your friend who was wise enough to duck out of this thread, would be wrong. Again.
You are arguing emotion Hank. All of the evidence is against you. Put up or shut up. You pulled a number out of your arse and you cannot back it up. You are letting your pride unmask your stupidity.
You are arguing emotion Hank. All of the evidence is against you. Put up or shut up. You pulled a number out of your arse and you cannot back it up. You are letting your pride unmask your stupidity.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 7:20 am to Vacherie Saint
No one “ducked out” of anything. They went to bed.
to my knowledge, there have been no formal studies on this question, but I firmly believe that my analysis is sound and that yours is a case of attempting to whitewash history.
Your “evidence” does not say remotely what you think it says, with your lack of understanding the admixture issue being a perfect example.
I will admit that the poster who distinguished the heritage of Cajuns in South Louisiana from more traditional Southerners may have had a point, in that their genetic isolation MAY mean that their ancestry will contain fewer slave owners than elsewhere in the South. I still think it likely that most of them will have at least one, but it does seem likely that they will have FEWER than an Alabaman or South Carolinian.
Now, how about you link this alleged source for your claim that only 60% of American Blacks have ANY sub-Saharan (or west-central) ancestry.
to my knowledge, there have been no formal studies on this question, but I firmly believe that my analysis is sound and that yours is a case of attempting to whitewash history.
Your “evidence” does not say remotely what you think it says, with your lack of understanding the admixture issue being a perfect example.
I will admit that the poster who distinguished the heritage of Cajuns in South Louisiana from more traditional Southerners may have had a point, in that their genetic isolation MAY mean that their ancestry will contain fewer slave owners than elsewhere in the South. I still think it likely that most of them will have at least one, but it does seem likely that they will have FEWER than an Alabaman or South Carolinian.
Now, how about you link this alleged source for your claim that only 60% of American Blacks have ANY sub-Saharan (or west-central) ancestry.
This post was edited on 6/30/19 at 7:25 am
Posted on 6/30/19 at 7:25 am to Vacherie Saint
You only need to cite 2 words of one sentence that he wrote in this thread to dig down to the core of his argument. He exposed himself when his disingenuous mind couldn’t restrain his emotional fingers from writing the descriptor.....white trash. LOL! The internal struggle of trying to appear logical and unbiased is not possible with mentally ill marxists like ole Aggiehank. They ALWAYs out themselves. LOL!
Posted on 6/30/19 at 7:26 am to Dick Leverage
My ancestry includes both plantation owners and poor white trash. Neither common term bothers me. It is interesting that they bother you.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 7:38 am to AggieHank86
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to my knowledge, there have been no formal studies on this question, but I firmly believe that my analysis is sound and that yours is a case of attempting to whitewash history.
That’s all you have. You’ve done nothing to support your feels. shite, you can’t even call what you’ve done “analysis”. There is zero scientific basis to what you claim.
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Your “evidence” does not say remotely what you think it says, with your lack of understanding the admixture issue being a perfect example.
Nope. You were wrong about that, just like you were wrong about the number of slave owners at the time of the civil war. Your total abandonment of that talking point didn’t go unnoticed.
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Now, how about you link this alleged source for your claim that only 60% of American Blacks have ANY sub-Saharan (or west-central) ancestry.
I cited the paper. Sims et al. 2007 and Salas et al. 2005. Go look it up, proggyhank.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:15 am to OTIS2
You guys are fricking insane with your conspiracy and racist shite. Harris 1/2 Jamaican and Indian and as Obama considers herself black. She is a long shot for President.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:16 am to Geauxst Writer
So her family never owned slaves?
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:19 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Yes, she is descended from at least one slave owner. So is almost every Black in America.
her family never owned slaves?
It just is not a big deal.
Her screwy politics are a big deal. We should focus on that.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:25 am to AggieHank86
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It just is not a big deal.
So someone whose family owned slaves calling anyone and everyone she disagrees with a "racist" is no big deal?
Seems like last week the MSM was fawning over her for doing just that. She did it again after by leveling those charges against Trump to.
It is clear if she is the nominee, this will be her "go to", yet it "isn't a big deal".
I mean, I would like to live in the fantasy you are living in, but we both know what will happen.
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Her screwy politics are a big deal. We should focus on that.
Of course. This is how it will go:
"Mrs. Harris, as part of your screwy politics, why did you support so many laws that unjustly put more black men in prison?"
Harris Replies: "You are a racist and a sexist!" (Never answers questions about her screwy politics)
The MSM runs articles on how a racist "attacked" Harris.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:27 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Lol at dems asking us not to focus on race
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:30 am to KingOrange
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On this Planet many more Black humans have enslaved Black humans that White humans.
And on this planet that remains true today.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:34 am to Geauxst Writer
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You guys are fricking insane with your conspiracy and racist shite.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:35 am to HubbaBubba
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save that tweet in the event she wins the nomination for maximum damage
So now we're to be judged on our relatives from multiple generations back? Can't she just suck on her own?
Surely ye jest?
I'm judged to have some kind of bullshite privilege, and therefore owe everything I have earned through my own hard work to this imaginary privilege, because a small number of men that lived 200 years ago were of Similar race to me and a half billion other persons, the vast majority of which, have no ancestral connection, or otherwise, to slave owners.
But this bitch is leading the frick over whitey charge while being just two generations removed from actual plantation owning slavery?
fricking Aye Right she's gonna wear that crown.
I hope that bitch is the nominee
Posted on 6/30/19 at 10:07 am to AggieHank86
LOL. Terms don’t bother me.
I find it hilarious that you couldn’t just say poor white farmers or poor whites.
You used a racist descriptor. It was the true Aggiehank screaming from inside. You hate your own whiteness. LOL
I find it hilarious that you couldn’t just say poor white farmers or poor whites.
You used a racist descriptor. It was the true Aggiehank screaming from inside. You hate your own whiteness. LOL
Posted on 6/30/19 at 3:13 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Why should it be?
So someone whose family owned slaves calling anyone and everyone she disagrees with a "racist" is no big deal?
Are YOU responsible for the actions of YOUR 8x-great grandfather?
Are YOUR political views pre-ordained by HIS actions?
Her views are crazy in many ways, but the actions of a remote ancestor should not preclude her from expressing them.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 4:18 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:You either can't read or are just stupid. Or maybe you think you gave yourself room to wiggle out with the "for all intents and purposes".
But Tex Ridder said she was, for all intents and purposes, full blooded African?!???
I was responding to a poster who said that she wasn't part African American because her father was from Jamaica.
Is that what you think, too?
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