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re: Witnesses outside school begged officers to go inside while shooting going on
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:32 am to REB BEER
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:32 am to REB BEER
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. You don't just go rushing in like the calvary when you don't know exactly wtf is going on.
Multiple gun shots was what was going on in an elementary school. You saying wait until the shooting stops before making a decision on what to do?
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:39 am to BoarEd
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That is exactly what's going on. But again, it's not all cops. You don't need many corrupted
You have had some good points in this thread but post like this just ruins them. No one in their right mind thinks this was a coordinated effort from the FBI on down. You need to stop watching x-files.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:41 am to SOSFAN
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No one in their right mind thinks this was a coordinated effort from the FBI on down.
Who in the frick said anything about the FBI? More dishonesty from you. You've also shown you don't have a goddamn clue as to what you're talking about.
Just shut the frick up already.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:44 am to Wolfhound45
Give up your guns the police will protect you. This happened in Florida too. The officers were fired or charged or something.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:44 am to BoarEd
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he got into a fire fight while being chased by police before the police saw him enter the building
I believe BoarED is thinking like I thought when I saw the gunman's ford truck crashed into a concrete lined ditch.
The gunman would not have crashed his truck if he was not chased ! Why would he make such crash noises if he was planning to murder the kids?
The gunman got in the back door and the report was the officer following found the door looked. Then you either shoot or blow the lock off with explosives and you go in.
If you wait while a person is inside with an automatic weapon for forty minutes then you are worthless POS like the officers in Fla. were and who got sued for not acting timely.
This insane person could have gone class room to class room and killed 100 more kids.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:47 am to LSUvet72
Has anyone came out and said where the truck came from? Who did it belong to? How the heck did he crash the truck, exchange gunfire with police, then go into a school and police not follow him in? That sounds ridiculously insane to me.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:48 am to Homesick Tiger
From what I’ve read, they had a tactical stack there and three officers went in. I assume more weren’t called in because there was one shooter locked in a classroom. The rest called to the scene secured the perimeter. I am not saying tactical mistakes weren’t made.
The delay in getting into the classroom was because it was locked. Should they have had something to break into the classroom? I don’t know.
The delay in getting into the classroom was because it was locked. Should they have had something to break into the classroom? I don’t know.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:49 am to Homesick Tiger
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Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said the gunman could have been in the school for 40 minutes to an hour.
WOW
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:50 am to Homesick Tiger
I know this much:
If a cop/s or armed citizen/s enters the building and fires at the shooter, he's going to stop shooting at kids and shoot at them.
And that's going to save lives.
If a cop/s or armed citizen/s enters the building and fires at the shooter, he's going to stop shooting at kids and shoot at them.
And that's going to save lives.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 11:26 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:52 am to BoarEd
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Who in the frick said anything about the FBI? More dishonesty from you. You've also shown you don't have a goddamn clue
You're the dumbass that said the govt ( which the FBI is part of) on down. Stop talking so much out of your arse and maybe you can remember the dumb shite you post . Go ahead keyboard warrior.
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are you that fricking stupid that you think these school shootings are set up by the gov't, and the local police are in on it too, all so that they can ban guns eventually?
That is exactly what's going on. But again, it's not all cops. You don't need many[/quote]
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:54 am to BoarEd
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Who in the frick said anything about the FBI? More dishonesty from you. You've also shown you don't have a goddamn clue as to what you're talking about.
Whoever you want to claim as the "feds" doesn't change the fact at how stupid it sounds that you think the federal gov't is going around and convincing kids to go on mass shootings at schools, and that they were proactive enough to make sure the commanding officer that would respond to that school was also in it.
Go back to your bunker of spam and ramen noodles.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:58 am to the808bass
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Not “likely.” He was known for playing CoD. It was a personality trait for him.
My point was his only experience was playing CoD while I have not only lead platoons in clearing building in real world situations, I came back and taught CQB. There is a shite ton to take in when in a MOUNT scenario and I guarantee I would implement them even with aged joints…..but I would feel it the next day. CQB/MOUNT is a young man’s game.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:59 am to TeddyPadillac
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back to your bunker of spam and ramen noodles.
I should warn you that Boared is a tough keyboard warrior and will respond with numerous cuss words for questioning his lunacy.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:00 am to SOSFAN
Who knows if true, but the shooter encountered 3 different police before shooting the kids. The first was the security cop at school when he crashed and then supposedly two more cops inside the school before barricading himself in a classroom with adjoining doors. The rule for police on active shooters is to go in immediately and never wait for anything. This was definitely a failure to react appropriately. When he crashed that truck and started running towards school they should have been firing at him but they may have been worried if they shot him in the back they would go to jail. Who knows? But security isn’t working it seems.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:01 am to BoarEd
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And people shouldn't be stupid enough to suggest frickin' Call of Duty amounts to actual training that would prepare this dumbass for a shootout with police. That's fricking stupid.
You are exactly right. My kids want me to play that stupid game. I can’t for two reason. First is 1,000 fold unrealistic. Second, I hate the feelings that come up when I tried.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:04 am to bisonduck
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The delay in getting into the classroom was because it was locked
From what I understand the classroom had windows. I would think a window could have been used to take him down. If the door was locked to the classroom then how did the agent kill him? I don't expect you to know the answer but that's the crazy thing about all this - missing details not being made to the public.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:08 am to Homesick Tiger
It’s hard to tell exactly what happened.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:09 am to bisonduck
The only think I can say for certainty is that 40 minutes seems too long.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:10 am to Homesick Tiger
I've read (I think NPR was the source but I read on twitter) that they had to get a classroom KEY from another teacher before they could get into the classroom where the shooter was. Crazy.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:13 am to SOSFAN
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Which is the shooters fault and his immediate family not the Police.
They probably aren't legally culpable, but if the police aren't the ones that should go in to put a stop to the killing of elementary children, who should be?
I'm like the other guy, if my kid was in there, the police would likely have had to shoot me to keep me out.
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