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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?

Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:14 am to
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18048 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:14 am to
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Your perception is merely a risk analysis. It can't factor in anomalies. You have no idea how it would affect you. But you can come up with a reasonable probabilistic risk analysis on which to make a decision.

Some people are more comfortable than others in the real world.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
13016 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:14 am to
The issue was never about the vaccine “working”. It’s about whether or not it’s necessary for the overwhelming majority of the population and what’s its long term effects are going to be.

As a secondary issue, it’s a privacy and freedom thing.

I don’t know why you liberals have such a hard time understanding this.
Posted by countrytiger60
Larose
Member since Sep 2018
3654 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:15 am to
awe, did Trump grab your pussy too!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124220 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:15 am to
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It really bothers me now that it came out that the CCP scientist have fully infiltrated our pharmaceutical companies and their labs and the academia labs.
They did that to copy the vaccine. Not to change it. That is what the Chinese do. Steal. Copy.

They are like the struggling student whose grades suddenly improve when he sits behind an A student during exams.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18048 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:17 am to
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The argument is for mass immunity eliminating community spread. We are getting there.

It would be interesting to know how much of the emerging herd immunity is the result of the virus naturally playing out and how much is due to the vaccine.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39578 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:20 am to
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People are certainly getting awfully argumentative over the issue if you contend that they agree that it works


What issue? The completely made up issue of republicans not believing that the vaccines work? No meaningful population of Americans are making (or even debating) this argument anywhere, so why are you here begging us to "admit" something we've never doubted?
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36749 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:23 am to
The people in the facility where I consult had it last April (2020). 90% I guess had it and the others didn’t. 30 or so died.

My view is that those there who were going to die from covid already have.

Not saying the vaccine won’t work on the general population but those who were in facilities where this ran through it, they’re either dead or alive and it hasn’t really returned to facilities in this state — according to LDH own reports.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31140 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:24 am to
Not to mention all the ones who didn’t know they ever had the virus and got the vaccine.

We will never know. All that matters is the simpletons think it saved everyone and we are getting back to normal. Probably could have given everyone healthy and under 70 a placebo and the numbers would not change at this point.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:31 am to
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The completely made up issue of republicans not believing that the vaccines work?

No. More specifically this community here. I would say the majority of republicans agree that it works as well as the majority of Trump supporters.

In this online community there is a lot of anti vaccine rhetoric.
Posted by elcid
Band Camp
Member since Mar 2007
3036 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:33 am to
I LULZ and cringe at all the sheeple posting pics of their vaccine record online.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18048 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:42 am to
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In this online community there is a lot of anti vaccine rhetoric.

I think you're confusing positions that a person doesn't see any use for the vaccine or concern over long-term side effects for being "anti-vaxx".

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23847 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:42 am to
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Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?

It doesn't have to be admitted or believed in. The vaccines ARE working. It's an unquestionable fact. If someone wants to live in fantasy (as many who post on the internet all day seen to prefer) that's their own failure and mental weakness. The vaccines are doing exactly what they were designed and intended to do.
Posted by TigerbaitTigerbait
Member since Aug 2016
421 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:46 am to
Frankly we don’t really know what the vaccines are doing . If you your healthy why the hell would you want to take this experiment? Can we really believe what “they” are reporting to us ? Mabye heard immunity is Naturally keeping cases low . I think the common sense thing to do is take a look around . Are people dying around you left and right ? Are the ambulances pulling up left and right in your neighborhood? To me that would be a pandemic. This whole thing was a blown up political move .
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53503 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:46 am to
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The completely made up issue of republicans not believing that the vaccines work?


No. More specifically this community here.


No, most are saying why take it?


There are options without taking it. The morality rate is not even remotely close to making me want to take it.

I don't take the flu shoot either.





The world is using it:




But your Dr says it does not work because $$$$$$

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In this online community there is a lot of anti vaccine rhetoric.


Alot of "there is no need in it"

Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
7795 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:48 am to
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No one is forcing you to get it

This is just outright dishonest.

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Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?

Of course they are. While some may have crackpot theories about what they really are most people who haven't gotten them aren't worried about them being effective against covid, they are worried about the side effects of a vaccine that went through a rushed development and find that worry more concerning than contracting covid.

Why does this confuse people so much?
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
13016 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:48 am to
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In this online community there is a lot of anti vaccine rhetoric.


I served overseas in the military so I’ve probably taken more vaccines than you and many other Americans.

Accusing someone of being anti-vaccine for simply refusing a vaccine they don’t think is necessary from a risk analysis perspective would be like me saying you’re anti-vaccine because you haven’t taken all the vaccines I’ve taken.
This post was edited on 6/6/21 at 11:49 am
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:51 am to
Is there any lie that XiNN regurgitates that you will not believe?
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Member since Jul 2019
4526 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:51 am to
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No. More specifically this community here. I would say the majority of republicans agree that it works as well as the majority of Trump supporters. In this online community there is a lot of anti vaccine rhetoric.


As recent as June 3rd, it’s generally estimated about 42% of the US population to be fully vaccinated. So it would appear a significant percentage of the country (well beyond this board) remains a little more discerning/wait and see vs taking the leap of faith for something emergency authorized but as of yet still not approved.
Posted by elveaux
Member since Jul 2007
157 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 11:57 am to
The covid cases peaked on Jan 8th this year and has steadily been falling since. The shots only started after that, with the vast majority of people receiving it since March. The numbers were already way lower and back to October levels by then.

I’m not saying the vaccine hasn’t been a contributor, but the numbers don’t lie. This thing had peaked and was running its course way before masses started getting the vaccine.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18048 posts
Posted on 6/6/21 at 12:15 pm to
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As recent as June 3rd, it’s generally estimated about 42% of the US population to be fully vaccinated.

Pretty interesting that NIH, CDC and FDA personnel are only about 55% vaccinated. And weren't they on the priority list, so could cut in line to get the jab?

I'm not a big "the vaccine is dangerous guy," but that certainly warrants a question or two.
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