re: Why do old conservatives get mad when you tell them that SSI is welfare

How was social security sold to the American people? Do you know?

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Essentially you are saying we are all being forced to buy Puerto Rican bonds. Those bonds are currently paying on the coupon. Odds are though, current purchase will see little ROI d/t default.

I get that.
But any ROI after purchase of those bonds is not welfare.

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i'm talking about the structure of the program

if it requires a constant influx of money from people who aren't participating in the spoils, then it's welfare

just because it's more onerous than section 8 by requiring a little skin in the game, doesn't totally transform the nature of the program

the fact that it's a forced payment that redistributes wealth is enough, for me

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At least once a week, when I help out on the sales floor at our dealership

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And you “argue” with them about SSI? Prospective customers? Really?

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Pay me what I've put into it with interest and Im happy.

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Yep. Pay me every penny, with interest, since 1975. Pay everyone everything that they’ve forcibly taken. Then end the program the day that the checks are mailed out. That should make the younger people happy. Sure would make me happy.

If you didn’t pay in or only paid a little, good for you. You didn’t get the arse reaming that some of us got. I have a retirement program and I’ll be fine either way. But frick the assholes that took my money to pay for “my retirement “.

I want every penny that they took. Every. fricking. Penny. I’m going to try to age like Benjamin fricking Button.

Had the Congressmen and Congresswomen over the years not squandered SS monies taken in for pet projects and just banked the money drawing interest, we would not have to pay income taxes today, only the Social Security and we would more than likely be debt free as a nation...
Holy run-on I know, but you get the point....

Listen you fricken punk, it's not welfare. The government takes it out of my paycheck. I worked for it. It's my money. So when you get a tax refund at the end of the year do you call that welfare?

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if it requires a constant influx of money from people who aren't participating in the spoils, then it's welfare

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It isn't though.

Look SFP, let's be clear. You and I both look at SS with a similar attitude. I would be happy for the program to be privatized. Returns would be far better for participants. But ROI and retirement security has almost nothing to do with construct of SS. ROI and retirement security are lipstick on the proverbial pig.

Step one to a faze out is for Americans to understand that.

SS is a mechanism to borrow from every working American (regardless of their approval) with a promise to incrementally return the money (nearly without interest) upon retirement. If an individual dies before full repayment . . . . tough! The government keeps the money.

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I want every penny that they took.

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Look, I know you were misled and probably straight up lied to. I can't excuse that. But they weren't taking your money to save for your retirement. They were insurance premiums. And since it was the government and mandated (sound familiar? *cough* Obamacare *cough*) it was a tax. But, it wasn't a tax for "retirement" - it was a tax to guarantee a minimum income for old folks, disabled people and widows (women didn't work and weren't expected to for a long time - hell, not that long ago).

So, here we are. And there is nothing else to do about it.

However, it is welfare. Use the word "entitlement" if you feel better. Just don't pretend they won't be taking young people's money to pay your fairly generous benefit in just a few years (I must assume you're 58 to 61 - so just a few years away from the sweet life).

I'm a champion of the truth. Sorry, not sorry.

What the hell is this?

You talking SSI or SSDI?

SSDI (Title II) is what we pay in to (you ever wonder what FICA is?) that if you ever become disabled or when you retire, you get a portion of that back. It comes (after a qualifying period) with Medicare.

SSI is for those with disabilities who do not have enough credits built into the system to receive SSDI. It is a form of welfare - paid for by general tax dollars. It comes with Medicaid.

Get informed dude.