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re: Why do old conservatives get mad when you tell them that SSI is welfare
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:07 pm to winston318
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:07 pm to winston318
quote:I do not like social security, but is that not a relevant distinction from someone who doesn't pay in to anything, does nothing and gets money from the government without having to wait until retirement age?
They will argue that the paid into it like they had a choice
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:07 pm to notsince98
Lets clear this up
SSI is a needs based help for old people, the blind and disabled. For disability it has the same requirements as SSD (Social Security Disability) but covers those that have not paid in the required number of quarters in the required time.
SSI is "welfare"
SSD is not it is essentially disability insurance which one pays into
Social Security is a social program based on the way it is set up but payouts are related to payin
SSI is a needs based help for old people, the blind and disabled. For disability it has the same requirements as SSD (Social Security Disability) but covers those that have not paid in the required number of quarters in the required time.
SSI is "welfare"
SSD is not it is essentially disability insurance which one pays into
Social Security is a social program based on the way it is set up but payouts are related to payin
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:07 pm to notsince98
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You don't get as much out as you put in.
Are you sure? Boomers who were paying $40 and $50 bucks a year back in the 1960s who live to be 80 or 85? Are you sure they won't get way, way, way more back out?
Now, younger "participants" - yeah, that's going to be a tough row to hoe, but folks roughly 65 and older now, who live another 10 to 15 years are going to do alright, on a ROI basis.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:08 pm to Balloon Huffer
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So they dumb fricks not working, not putting any money in to SSI are afraid its going to collapse...
a. it's likely going to collapse anyway
b. do the "youth" have the economic power to make better jobs, or are they stuck in a system where economic promise is limited?
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and the idea is the person who has been paying it for 40-50 years is the one who should get fricked?
as opposed to me? yes
you had your chance to get rid of it and you failed
now it's my chance to get rid of it
it's not like my generation is benefiting from the program. if you have an issue, take it up with your parents
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:08 pm to winston318
Because they feel like they paid into that entitlement their whole life and are thus entitled to it. They argue that the government should keep its promises.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:09 pm to kingbob
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They argue that the government should keep its promises.
my response is: not my fault that you were irrational and trusted a failed system
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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actually, it is
we live in a republic and we vote in the people who control and sustain these pograms
That is being obtuse. Every issue we ever have that is caused by government is technically the citizen's fault. However, the fact that government got the calculations for SSI so terribly wrong, as well as used it to fund other programs, does not make that program all of a sudden welfare because it is terribly underfunded. It just makes it a terribly program.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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Are you sure? Boomers who were paying $40 and $50 bucks a year back in the 1960s who live to be 80 or 85? Are you sure they won't get way, way, way more back out?
It wasn't meant to be an absolute statement. Some people may get more if they live long enough or didn't work much before going on it. Those people are welfare recipients.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:09 pm to winston318
It's welfare in that it expands the intent of SS.
IE, what if SSI extended benefits to pay for the college tuition of poor people. It's welfare but the cover is that SS is paid into.
IE, what if SSI extended benefits to pay for the college tuition of poor people. It's welfare but the cover is that SS is paid into.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:10 pm to winston318
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At least once a week, when I help out on the sales floor at our dealership.
No offense but if you're arguing with customers over their SSI I don't know if you're a big help on the sales floor.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:11 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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the fact that government got the calculations for SSI so terribly wrong, as well as used it to fund other programs, does not make that program all of a sudden welfare because it is terribly underfunded
it kind of does
welfare is wealth redistibution
social security is...wealth redistribution
fricking up the calculations in that way makes it an even bigger example of this
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:11 pm to winston318
quote:Because for retirees it is nothing of the sort.
Why do old conservatives get mad when you tell them that SSI is welfare
You mean aside from that little detail?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
i'm willing to forgo every dollar I've paid in to end it and stop having them steal from me, but when you say
yeah, so it's a bit easier for us...people who made modest livings wanted their fricking money back, do you blame them?
did they? I mean look at all of the senators elected running on "repeal Obamacare" and now the rubber meets the road..."oh well, um, no...frick you" i'd rather retire than to do what I promised and what everyone who voted for me wants me to do
so we're not going to be the ones to end SS. It did what it inevitably would, and even with that said, i'm skeptical we'll ever see it ripped up or privatized.
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it's not like my generation is benefiting from the program.
yeah, so it's a bit easier for us...people who made modest livings wanted their fricking money back, do you blame them?
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you had your chance to get rid of it and you failed
did they? I mean look at all of the senators elected running on "repeal Obamacare" and now the rubber meets the road..."oh well, um, no...frick you" i'd rather retire than to do what I promised and what everyone who voted for me wants me to do
so
we're not going to be the ones to end SS. It did what it inevitably would, and even with that said, i'm skeptical we'll ever see it ripped up or privatized. 
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:12 pm to winston318
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They will argue that the paid into it like they had a choice.
Regardless of it being a choice or a giant Ponzi scheme.....they did contribute to it (SS Retirement) through years of being a productive citizen through payroll taxes. It being involuntary doesn't matter in that respect.
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Regardless its welfare
It's an entitlement. Welfare recipients don't have to pay taxes into the system to get it.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:12 pm to mmcgrath
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SSI
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people do pay into it.
I pay into it via payroll taxes, but the recipient can never work a day in his life and still receive it.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:13 pm to Obtuse1
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Lets clear this up
SSI is a needs based help for old people, the blind and disabled. For disability it has the same requirements as SSD (Social Security Disability) but covers those that have not paid in the required number of quarters in the required time.
SSI is "welfare"
SSD is not it is essentially disability insurance which one pays into
Social Security is a social program based on the way it is set up but payouts are related to payin
This ^ is correct
The main difference between Social Security Disability (SSD, or SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is the fact that SSD is available to workers who have accumulated a sufficient number of work credits, while SSI disability benefits are available to low-income individuals who have either never worked or who haven't earned enough work credits to qualify for SSD.
people posting on here think the OP was talking about regular social security
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:13 pm to winston318
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old conservatives get mad
i lose track of dumb things i see baby boomers doing on a weekly basis
there was one on here today saying Twitter could shut down ISIS with an ON [OFF} switch.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:13 pm to winston318
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It's actually the biggest form of welfare. They will argue that the paid into it like they had a choice. Regardless its welfare
You could argue that any spending is welfare.
SSI is definetly a socialist program. It's right there in the name... Social.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:14 pm to winston318
Many of you are confused about the differences between SSI, SSDI, and SS Retirement. Do better. Listen to Chappy.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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my response is: not my fault that you were irrational and trusted a failed system
Is it YOUR (my?) fault that they haven't done things like expand the retirement ages appropriately and curtailed and/or better policed things like SSI and Disability payments, that might keep it from being "failed"?
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