re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?

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The world doesn’t have an issue with religion, they do however with Christianity

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we know the Bible predicted it


2 Timothy 3:1-5

3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth

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Please tell me more about Roman values. Greatest civilization in history that one could argue that Christians borrowed inspiration from.

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I don't think you've read Roman history. Dictator emperors like Nero and Caligula, the murdering for sport of Christians, brutal conquest. We draw no inspiration from Rome. They were powerful, and yet horribly corrupt, and they collapsed, just like every other ancient empire built on false ideals.

Rome doesn't hold a candle to America. But America will also collapse, if it's people turn away from God.

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Lol wow.

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dude, your party is made up of blue haired nut jobs, lazy welfare scammers, trans, and illegals. Your party is absolutely NUTS.

here's the good news jethrine! you'll have plenty of time to think about this as you burn in eternal damnation!

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There a many good debates on this. I think the argument is that morality has to be based on something, and our western morals are based on Christianity.

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They are based on Aristotelian, Stoic, and Epicurean Greek philosophy.

Christian morality is to do whatever the deity says in that moment. Sometimes killing babies is good and divinely commanded and other times it’s not. It’s based on shared blood guilt… one person sins and the whole tribe is guilty and needs to be saved. And they can also sacrifice a person to pay for the sins of others rather than each person being responsible for their own actions.

Here’s the thing - Christians don’t actually follow Christian morality. What some think of as Christian morality - do things that promote happiness and wellbeing, help others, reduce suffering, is actually Greek philosophy. And honestly some Christian ideas come from Greek philosophy while rejecting the core Hebrew “morality”. Some other Christian ideas - the golden rule as an example - even pre-date the Greeks and goes back to ancient Sumer and India.

If a “bad guy” makes a bad decision and negatively affects the wellbeing of another person, should that bad guy be tortured for all of eternity? Does one lapse in judgment mean he should be ruthlessly tortured for all time? If you don’t think so, then your morality isn’t rooted in Christianity.

Do you think we should torture people for all of eternity for not thinking the right thing? Endless torture for a thought crime… a thought crime that cannot be controlled? Let’s say someone isn’t truly convinced God is real or Jesus was real. They’d maybe even like to believe it but can’t force themselves to genuinely believe it because they aren’t convinced by the evidence - the evidence which doesn’t even exist. Is it fair, just, and reasonable to torture that person for eternity? If you don’t think so, then your morality isn’t grounded in Christian thought.

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But now you’ve made me realize that Republicans need to turn to Roman rather than Christian values, which Christianity is based on.

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trump is ceaser?

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trump is ceaser?

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I’d rather have Bush.

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just like many Republican politicians…they have rock solid values

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The ones who can’t pass a balanced budget bill who enrich themselves and their families at the taxpayer expense who cheat on their wives and buy hookers? Not rock solid to me. Better than the democrats but that’s not saying much.

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let’s say more education and awareness

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More education, awareness, and even most importantly- honesty - will turn people atheist. Just a fact of life. Religion in America will probably be a minority thing for the kooks and nuts in 20-30 years.

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those great Christian values

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You need more education to be quite honest. The Christians you know may have good values but it isn’t due to their religion but their nature.

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Especially if atheism is growing but is afraid to latch onto good values because from the outside, it looks like cult that requires belief in listening to an insane man recite crazy passages on Sundays with a wealth tax

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Sounds like atheists are a bunch of weak soy drinkers to whom appearance is more important than substantive values. Not surprising, given that you people don’t believe in anything. And what the frick is this wealth tax you’re talking about?

Im not conservative, I am a Registered Independent [tm] since the 1990s.. first person I ever voted for for President was a guy named Ross Perot.. probably not a great vote to cast, but instructional in that im not loyal to a party, or even a philosophy .. matter of fact, if any candidate demands loyalty or fealty from me, as in the current occupant of the Oval Office- I tend to run in the opposite direction .


That said, im not conservative, partly b/c the word conservative, to me, means 'close-minded', 'stuck in the past', 'handcuffed by tradition'.. you get the point .. maybe not the literal definition , but it's what conservative means to me, and what most conservatives ive known in life seem to be like ... by contrast, even though I dont consider myself 'progressive'- at least that word means constantly evolving, open-minded, ok with change, with progress.. NOT stuck in the past .... I hope what im trying to say makes sense, but I welcome any counterpoints .. I come in peace .