Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?

There a many good debates on this.

I think the argument is that morality has to be based on something, and our western morals are based on Christianity.

If you can see the intrinsic inseparable link between "great Christian values" and religion...... I'm not sure you can be helped.

quote:

---

If you can see the intrinsic inseparable link between "great Christian values" and religion...... I'm not sure you can be helped.

---

It’s just a religious thing shared across most religions…be a good person and everything will be alright.

You can do that without religion and latching onto values like anti whoring, adultery, abortion, etc.

quote:

---

why not grow the Republican party through values instead of belief?

---

Christian values are grounded in an objective moral law-giver. Atheism reduces morality to arbitrary preferences.

If you want Christian values as an atheist, you can adopt them if you want, but they aren’t any better or worse than any other value set in an atheistic worldview, necessarily.

quote:

---

I’m an atheist,

---

Might want to reconsider this

quote:

---

But for some reason we can’t separate those great Christian values from religion. In the future with the advent of the internet (look at me with a fancy word), so why not grow the Republican party through values instead of belief?

---

Well the laws that we have were built on those “great Christian values” and common sense. The liberal/democrat party has separated from Christian values and the Conservative Party is clinging to them as they should. The Republican Party is the default “values” party period. There is no reason to separate the two.

quote:

---

Please elaborate since this could be groundbreaking if you could make sense of that.

---

All moral judgments require some standard to compare an action to in order to determine “right” (“good”) or “wrong” (“evil”). Christianity sees God as an objective moral law-giver who has provided an objective moral law (the 10 commandments). It’s objective in the sense that it originates outside the human mind and applies to all humans equally across time, space, and geography. While the application of it may differ at times, the standard, itself, does not change. In addition, all people are held accountable to that standard by God.

Atheism, on the other hand, posits that morality is subjective, originating from the human mind. Since there is no singular source for morality other than the human mind, it necessarily fluctuates from person to person, place to place, and time to time, based on whatever social agreements may exist in the microcosm. Because of this, there is no singular moral standard that applies equally to everyone everywhere and at every time, so if one society chooses to believe it is right to kill off the weak or rape their way to a stronger society, that’s “right” for them, and there is no outside moral judge that we can look to in order to judge otherwise. Human flourishing and empathy are arbitrary measures we typically use to say something is “moral”, but we could just as easily use the opposite as a moral standard.

In other words, without an objective moral framework to go by, atheism reduces morality down to shared preferences, like a favorite flavor of ice cream.

quote:

---

You have a very limited understanding of Christianity.

---

How so and why is it different from the others? Love this thread because it’s a non hostile way to get to know each other.

Values must have a root... "it feels right" is the root to bad values.