re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?

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In no way does that make Rome the founder of Christianity. It had already been established for a couple of hundred years.

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Orthodox folks be sayin ,... hey voodoo u stupid frick

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The Council of Rome only made these decisions for a local/regional church not the entire Christian church across the world at that time

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I mean it's the same bible you have today, and other places reinforced the list, so I'm not sure I understand the distinction.

It was done to claim those who used other books were false in order to force all Christians to the same books.

Perhaps they were right, I don't know. But I know they basically picked and choose what Christianity is today.

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Yes I am aware of this. Rome took an established faith and made themselves the "law", making a lot of unilateral decisions. That's why people left the church in protest. I am also a protestant.

In no way does that make Rome the founder of Christianity. It had already been established for a couple of hundred years.

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But there was no single Christianity and what not before them. They argued what they did was needed in order to prevent Christianity from fracturing because of the different groups having different things.

And today most people don't even know these other books exist/existed or that people thought differently.

And of course, there is the Council of Nicaea called by Emperor Constantine to determine the relationship between Jesus and God to say Jesus was God. Which was debated before then.

That might be the biggest turning point in Christianity.

These seem like clear cut cases of Romes influence on things to me. Not to mention the huge amount of influence and the increase in numbers due to those things among the Roman citizens.

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But there was no single Christianity and what not before them. They argued what they did was needed in order to prevent Christianity from fracturing because of the different groups having different things.

And today most people don't even know these other books exist/existed or that people thought differently.

And of course, there is the Council of Nicaea called by Emperor Constantine to determine the relationship between Jesus and God to say Jesus was God. Which was debated before then.

That might be the biggest turning point in Christianity.

These seem like clear cut cases of Romes influence on things to me. Not to mention the huge amount of influence and the increase in numbers due to those things among the Roman citizens.

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The fact that people disagreed on things does not mean there wasn't one single Christianity. Christianity is defined by believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Any argument that claimed that Jesus was not God was an argument against the very words of Jesus.

The Roman Catholic church added in doctrine that is not in the Bible, and even took out the 2nd commandment and split the 10th commandment into two.

They certainly had influence, some positive, and I would argue much negative. But this does nothing to say that Christian values came from Roman values, which is the comment that person made that I responded to. It was an absurd statement. Rome did not believe in Christian values. The apostles gave their lives in spreading the word of God into Rome and other places. Rome doesn't get to claim being the starting place of Christianity, some 300 years after Jesus.

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The fact that people disagreed on things does not mean there wasn't one single Christianity. Christianity is defined by believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Any argument that claimed that Jesus was not God was an argument against the very words of Jesus.

The Roman Catholic church added in doctrine that is not in the Bible, and even took out the 2nd commandment and split the 10th commandment into two.

They certainly had influence, some positive, and I would argue much negative. But this does nothing to say that Christian values came from Roman values, which is the comment that person made that I responded to. It was an absurd statement. Rome did not believe in Christian values. The apostles gave their lives in spreading the word of God into Rome and other places. Rome doesn't get to claim being the starting place of Christianity, some 300 years after Jesus.

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Let says I'm teaching a history class. There isn't an official book, but there are multiple books about different events in history. I look at those books and then I decide which of them I wish to use in my class.

Now I am in no way writing those books or deciding what they say. But when they contain contradictory claims and such, I am most definitely deciding which version is taught and I most definitely control the narrative and future understanding of those I teach.

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Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?

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Because atheism has nothing to offer. All it does is tear down- it’s incapable of building anything. It’s an intellectual achievement- it’s an emotional deficiency.

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Let says I'm teaching a history class. There isn't an official book, but there are multiple books about different events in history. I look at those books and then I decide which of them I wish to use in my class.

Now I am in no way writing those books or deciding what they say. But when they contain contradictory claims and such, I am most definitely deciding which version is taught and I most definitely control the narrative and future understanding of those I teach.

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What you are saying is no doubt what they intended, as they very much wanted to be in control, including making things up that weren't Biblical. But people accepted only what they believed was consistent with the whole of scripture AS scripture. Disagreement, therefore, did not cease with the Catholic church deciding what they thought was best. That is, once again, why the split ultimately happened. If our Christianity depended on the decrees of the Roman Catholic church, every one of us would be Catholics.

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outside, it looks like cult that requires belief in listening to an insane man recite crazy passages on Sundays

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The questions I'm posing below are genuine, not emotional attacks, so please don't read that into it. I'm more concerned of giving you something to think about, rather than defend.

Why are you concerned what other people think, or how things look? You can't control what people think, no matter how hard you try. You could be a selfless angel and be despised, or a selfish prick and be worshipped. Knowing this - what principles are you personally dedicated to for life, no matter the consensus of public opinion? What will give you the strength, courage, and fortitude to stand firm in those beliefs - are you willing to die for it? What is the source of those foundational principles for you that cannot be shaken? What do you truly fear?

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What you are saying is no doubt what they intended, as they very much wanted to be in control, including making things up that weren't Biblical. But people accepted only what they believed was consistent with the whole of scripture AS scripture. Disagreement, therefore, did not cease with the Catholic church deciding what they thought was best. That is, once again, why the split ultimately happened. If our Christianity depended on the decrees of the Roman Catholic church, every one of us would be Catholics.

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But the influence is still there.

I mean we can go further into other splits as well, but they all seem to be influenced from the same direction with minor differences in views.

I mostly call it the religion of Paul.