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re: Why can every other first world country have healthcare for all?

Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:43 am to
Posted by SiloamHog
Siloam Springs, AR
Member since Sep 2016
884 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:43 am to
How often do you see your dentist?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57297 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:47 am to
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When someone smokes $200 of cigarettes a month and won't pay $150 per month for an inhaler, I don't feel bad for them. At all. Maybe I'm a bad person or doctor for that, but I don't. But when a parent won't/can't spend $150/m on an inhaler that their kid needs because they have crappy insurance, it's the one set of drugs I actually have a hard time finding a cheap alternative for and have never really found a good patient assistance program. And it makes me sad. I include this rant in case someone out there knows what I'm missing. I doubt it. But, hey, I'm a hopeful guy.
... and I'd reckon a damn good doc to boot.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:52 am to
We see this every single day.

Avg BMI since I have started my career has skyrocketed.

Same for HTN. Same for rates of DM.

It is crushing. And I'm in an acute field. Those poor guys like hopeful, in a primary field.... yikes.

We can start a whole new thread on the destruction of medicine by lesser trained, lesser educated "providers" too....

Don't get me started on the state of medicine in our nation. Socialization is a bigger step backwards than anyone would realize.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57297 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:52 am to
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Just like we do today with a $20,000 price tag and a bankruptcy lawyers card
Again, if you don't want to spend your money--don't. What you want is to keep your own wealth, but take from others to pay your personal bills. The epitome of selfishness and greed. And you want to use the power (and threat) of government to do it. The epitome of cruelty and violence.

Don't you dare lecture anyone on virtua.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 12:53 am
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:52 am to
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But wrong.


In your opinion. As I said in my first post, it is my opinion that the words, "will provide for the general welfare of the public" could be read as a mandate to provide medical care. In my opinion.

And again, I am fully aware most conservatives wouldn't agree with that assessment. It is what it is.

However, I also believe that we could potentially set up a system that results in both better care and an overall net positive in cost to everyone. But without some radical changes, that isn't likely to happen any time soon.

I figure we are about 20 years out from seeing a medical revolution. Hopefully we are all still around to see it.

Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:52 am to
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Anesthesia

A much smarter man than I...


If you don't know who Physician on FIRE is, his website is worth a glance. He was one of your kind who put his ducks in a row early on and retired at 43. Just a neat story in general. Worked his arse off early, bought into a surgery center that failed, lost his arse on a big house related to that venture, gets real frugal, hits financial independence, gives up crappy shifts/call for the most part, coasts into full retirement and now travels the world with school age children because he's managed to pile up around 40x his annual expenditures and generates enough traffic on that site to probably pay most of his bills if he didn't have that nest egg.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57297 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:54 am to
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Also, citizens (me) provide your healthcare. It is my profession. And no, you have no free "right" to my labor.
Rights do not equal means.

If so the government owes me a printing press, a church, and guns.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:54 am to
That guy is amazing.

I also like "whitecoat investor"
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:55 am to
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Rights do not equal means.

If so the government owes me a printing press, a church, and guns.


Rights can only be exercised personally, not through enforced labor on another's behalf.


Enforced labor is slavery.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:56 am to
He's the best
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57297 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:57 am to
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We can start a whole new thread on the destruction of medicine by lesser trained, lesser educated "providers" too....
No doubt. Not a physician, but several in the family. I worry about their futures.

Physicians need to get in front of the whole secondary practitioners. We all lose if MDs lose their professionalism like engineers and lawyers have.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57297 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:01 am to
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Don't get me started on the state of medicine in our nation. Socialization is a bigger step backwards than anyone would realize.
What's amazing to me is you have people... that wouldn't even think of walking on a restaurant check... feel it's perfectly fine to not pay their doctors. They just feel like they shouldn'nt have to pay for it. It should just be "free".
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:02 am to
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This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 12:55 pm
Posted by SiloamHog
Siloam Springs, AR
Member since Sep 2016
884 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:02 am to
What about other things payed by "socialized" programs like the Interstate System? frick those roads, go to Lowe's and buy some asphalt...make you're own road. Why do my tax dollars have to pay for your road?
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:03 am to
I have worked in some of the countries Bernie sees as utopia, and thinks the U.S. to emulate. For some reason most citizens in those places that can afford to do so will pay for private healthcare whenever possible in lieu of the government provided care.
Posted by SiloamHog
Siloam Springs, AR
Member since Sep 2016
884 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:04 am to
Which countries?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:05 am to
How stupid of you
Posted by SiloamHog
Siloam Springs, AR
Member since Sep 2016
884 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:06 am to
Indeed
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:10 am to
I work within a system teetering on the brink.

You are wrong. So wrong. Complete takeover government involvement will destroy it completely.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 1:11 am
Posted by SiloamHog
Siloam Springs, AR
Member since Sep 2016
884 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:10 am to
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