re: Where do you stand on this issue Re John Deere shop tool availability?

Try $750,000-$1,000,000 for picker or combine, some headers are $250,000.
JD will move production back from Mehico like Toyota soon to avoid tariffs.
There are work arounds developed by some in Eastern Europe.

quote:

---

THAT part is not anti-competitive; it's the market reality.

---

The reality, not that you have an actual clue being the poorly educated little dolt that you are, is in the fact companies like JD have worked to deny any aftermarket solutions including suing individual farmers for having the audacity to repair critical equipment that they outright own. They go so far as to threaten companies that supply individual components with lawsuits if they sell parts to anyone not licensed by the OEM. Not even proprietary parts either, parts like hydraulic pumps that are used by other OEM's where there is no reasonable expectation of exclusivity and certainly no safety or reliability issue at stake. Arguing against right-to-repair at any level is a brainless exercise, no surprise from you though...

quote:

---

I am surprised that China has not come out with replacement computers for these tractors and a new interface for reading the data. Hell China probably built the computer and with their IP laws they already have the data so building an "aftermarket" computer should be easy.

---

You overestimate China's abilities here, they struggle to properly clone things at a much lower technical level than ECM's.

The issue at hand goes well beyond ECM's too, OEM's that require perpetual subscription schemes to access features will impact secondary sales of equipment. Many farmers can't afford a new machine, buying a used one then finding out you have to go back to the OEM to pay monthly fees to access needed functions would certainly be discouraging.

Some OEM's are getting to where to even to open the hood it requires a dealer-level scan tool. If things don't change then it will basically mean buying a new vehicle where even basic maintenance is entirely reliant on making an appointment with a local dealership.

Deere has done an amazing job of killing its brand in the last 15 or so years. They had the most loyal customer base I've ever seen locked down for generations -- people with money and ongoing need -- and they have driven so many away.

While all tractors have gone backwards in terms of durability and performance since our retarded govt enforced the 2014 EPA emissions standards, Deere leaned into greed and crapping on its customers.

While the larger farmers I know still use JD because they're so invested in the platform, many of the smaller farms around me have ditched them for Kubota, LS, and others. I'm still running a 50-year old Massey that just won't die. When it does, I will not buy a JD made after 2010 or so (when most of the computer crap and emissions nonsense started to intrude).

To me this issue hinges on JD's changing their policies after customers had invested millions in their equipment. It would be one thing to slowly phase in what they did, but it was basically an all-or-nothing offer to farmers who had very little time to adapt.

I don't know if that's illegal, but it's a shitty way to treat your customers.

Also, JD has been aggressive in going after farmers who've tried to hack their way around JD's computer lockouts.

So screw JD. I'd love for them to be displaced by competitors.

quote:

---

Deere’s methods have allowed a window of competing farm equipment to make inroads into their market share

---

The one dirty little secret about manufacturing is that some supplies are all from the same supplier sometimes even the goods themselves are built at 3rd party assembly lines and have different shifts working on different pieces of equipment but badged separately.

Engine, wheels, and mechanics are all the same, but the badging, color scheme, and computer may all be different.

I'm not defending Deere here at all but I didn't see the uproar when the Ford CEO came out a week ago and told people that they don't need to attempt to work of their Ford vehicles.

quote:

---

, is in the fact companies like JD have worked to deny any aftermarket solutions including suing individual farmers for having the audacity to repair critical equipment that they outright own. They go so far as to threaten companies that supply individual components with lawsuits if they sell parts to anyone not licensed by the OEM. Not even proprietary parts either, parts like hydraulic pumps that are used by other OEM's where there is no reasonable expectation of exclusivity and certainly no safety or reliability issue at stake. Arguing against right-to-repair at any level is a brainless exercise, no surprise from you though

---

You did not read what I wrote.

I'm describing a "right to repair" system with these proprietary components. It's still going to be prohibitively expensive due to the complexity of these modern systems.

I was specifically not describing the scenario you posted about.

quote:

---

cmon now use your head don't be such a purist.

---

This is where so many conservatives fall. They are so principled that they don't even realize what they are supporting.

By obediently supporting the "free market" without evaluating the results, people like the OP unwittingly support the "You will own nothing and like it" policy of the NWO/WEF.

Too many are OK with corporations controlling an item after it was purchased in the name of the "free market." At some point, you have to ask yourself if what you are supporting is truly beneficial or if you are only supporting it because of an ideology.

People who put all their faith in the "free market" are just giving more control to corporations. Then they will turn around and complain about the influence these corporations have over government policies while simultaneously fighting against any methods that can rein them in, all in the name of the "free market."

Too often, conservatives are so pure that they just shoot themselves in the foot.

I saw something recently where you cannot even open the hood of a Mercedes-Benz only a dealer can do it