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Where do you stand on this issue Re John Deere shop tool availability?
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:57 am
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:57 am
For the last several years, if you had a major problem with your John Deere equipment, the only way to get it fixed was to pay Deere or an authorized shop to essentially unlock the error code.
Well, this week, the FTC and several state AG’s won a suit against Deere in forcing them to enable DIY fixes. This after another $99M settlement they had to pay out earlier this year.
This topic came up on this board probably a year or so ago but since TD search rarely functions properly, deal with it.
Does the government have a right to tell American businesses how to operate their company? Deere’s methods have allowed a window of competing farm equipment to make inroads into their market share.
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Personally, I’m as free market as they come but this does in fact affect our food supply so it’s problematic for me.
Well, this week, the FTC and several state AG’s won a suit against Deere in forcing them to enable DIY fixes. This after another $99M settlement they had to pay out earlier this year.
This topic came up on this board probably a year or so ago but since TD search rarely functions properly, deal with it.
Does the government have a right to tell American businesses how to operate their company? Deere’s methods have allowed a window of competing farm equipment to make inroads into their market share.
LINK
Personally, I’m as free market as they come but this does in fact affect our food supply so it’s problematic for me.
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Posted on 7/9/26 at 5:03 am to idlewatcher
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Does the government have a right to tell American businesses how to operate their company?
LOL of course it does or you would never have fly by night amusement parks inspected, banks inspected, check cashing places, cmon now use your head don't be such a purist. Or do you not think Movie Theaters should have fire codes?
Posted on 7/9/26 at 5:08 am to idlewatcher
I pretty cool with the government telling airlines how to maintain their planes.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 5:20 am to Eurocat
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LOL of course it does or you would never have fly by night amusement parks inspected…
I think this ranks much differently than inspections for operating as advertised and mandated.
OP- I’m with you… it’s an interesting debate, but when it comes to a nation’s food supply, it’s different.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 5:54 am to idlewatcher
A completely non regulated country would look kinda like Haiti
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:07 am to idlewatcher
quote:In this instance? Absolutely.
Does the government have a right to tell American businesses how to operate their company?
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:12 am to idlewatcher
This really wasn’t about food prices, but hiding behind proprietary information to drive owners towards service centers.
Deere has lost their way and the government stepping in was the correct call.
shite like this is why Kubota has such a strong compact/utility tractor market the last 20 years.
Deere has lost their way and the government stepping in was the correct call.
shite like this is why Kubota has such a strong compact/utility tractor market the last 20 years.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:17 am to idlewatcher
The right to repair legislation needs to go through. And I’m not talking about the BS version the automakers want.
If you own your product you should have the ability to fix it any way you see fit.
The service info the manufacturers already generate should be accessible to owners and 3rd party repair shops.
It’s always been this way up until recently with these greedy corporations wanting to gatekeep all the tech behind a paywall. Or even worse, turning every feature into a subscription.
If you own your product you should have the ability to fix it any way you see fit.
The service info the manufacturers already generate should be accessible to owners and 3rd party repair shops.
It’s always been this way up until recently with these greedy corporations wanting to gatekeep all the tech behind a paywall. Or even worse, turning every feature into a subscription.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:17 am to idlewatcher
I'm a believer in right to repair.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:17 am to SallysHuman
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when it comes to a nation’s food supply, it’s different.
The food supply angle is a red herring. This has zero effect on the food supply except for making it negligibly more expensive.
The government(s) has long taken positions that protect consumers from predatory practices of companies that are taking “unfair” advantage of them - “truth in advertising”, for example. I think this falls well within that. Chat says:
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The Federal Trade Commission has long challenged companies that unlawfully monopolize repair markets. * If a manufacturer uses its control over parts, software, or diagnostics to eliminate competition in repair, that can raise issues under the Sherman Act or the FTC Act, although each case depends heavily on the facts.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:19 am to idlewatcher
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but this does in fact affect our food supply so it’s problematic for me
The funny part is that this leftist government intrusion into the market, relying on that justification, is going to lead to similar justifications for why the technology needs to be protected in the future (especially with cars). It' will be a "national security risk" to permit proprietary automobile technology to be released publicly.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:29 am to Eurocat
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LOL of course it does or you would never have fly by night amusement parks inspected, banks inspected, check cashing places, cmon now use your head don't be such a purist. Or do you not think Movie Theaters should have fire codes?
Implementing safety protocols is a different matter entirely. You know that. I know that.
We're not talking safety.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:30 am to SlidellCajun
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A completely non regulated country would look kinda like Haiti
So I can put you down in government controlled side then yes?
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:31 am to idlewatcher
I hunt in Mexico and cross frequently at the International Bridge about 20 miles from Laredo. It's a huge commercial trucking cross over. Been hunting down there since 2004. I cannot begin to tell you how many trucks I have seen with John Deered implements, parts, etc... crossing into the U.S.
One of the first NAFTA sellouts in my opinion. I got rid of a John Deere tractor about 15 years ago and will never purchase anything from them ever again.
Doesn't matter to John Deere.... matters to me.
One of the first NAFTA sellouts in my opinion. I got rid of a John Deere tractor about 15 years ago and will never purchase anything from them ever again.
Doesn't matter to John Deere.... matters to me.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:49 am to idlewatcher
I'm free market as well, but i do think there should be some protections for the end user to not be forced into a monopoly of repair shops for a particular brand.
i understand a business model that tries to drive repairs back to their shops as that is a lot of money for them and the same goes for car dealerships. This is somewhat a monopolizing the maintenance side for the consumer.
i understand a business model that tries to drive repairs back to their shops as that is a lot of money for them and the same goes for car dealerships. This is somewhat a monopolizing the maintenance side for the consumer.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:52 am to jp4lsu
There is certainly a level of anti-competitive practices and vertical integration that may get them in hot trouble legally, but I would imagine the reasonable resolution won't change much from the consumer POV. The software on these machines (everything, not just tractors...cars are the big one now) is getting more complex and proprietary every year. The tools, training/certification, etc. to properly work on them is going to become prohibitively expensive for third party/independent shops. THAT part is not anti-competitive; it's the market reality.
The question is if this track becomes too expensive, does a market participant-competitor come in with more scaled-down options that are more financially reasonable. That's the market solution.
The question is if this track becomes too expensive, does a market participant-competitor come in with more scaled-down options that are more financially reasonable. That's the market solution.
This post was edited on 7/9/26 at 7:01 am
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:58 am to AndyCBR
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If you own your product you should have the ability to fix it any way you see fit.
This is the American way. Ridiculous what they’ve been able to do.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:00 am to idlewatcher
I think people should be allowed to fix their own equipment
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:05 am to SlidellCajun
I bought a JD Lawn Tractor, (riding mower) on FB that didn’t work for 400$ on Amazon I got a new carburetor for about $40, changed out filters and oil and plug. Runs great……had to rent a trailer to pick it up so cost another $100…. But getting a new carburetor on Amazon for $40 priceless….
If farmers can’t fix their equipment they have been ripped off….
If farmers can’t fix their equipment they have been ripped off….
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:07 am to Eurocat
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quote:
Does the government have a right to tell American businesses how to operate their company?
LOL of course it does or you would never have fly by night amusement parks inspected, banks inspected, check cashing places, cmon now use your head don't be such a purist. Or do you not think Movie Theaters should have fire codes?
There are particular businesses that should be inspected/regulated by the government and others that wouldn't need to be.
Simply create a schedule based on businesses types and separate out those that do(to what degree), and those that don't.
At present this is decided by differing government agencies(OSHA, EPA, FDA, etc.)
I don't think John Deere engine error codes qualifies, but that's my simple opinion.
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