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re: Where do you stand on this issue Re John Deere shop tool availability?
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:11 am to idlewatcher
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:11 am to idlewatcher
Always have my John Deere riding mowers worked on by a non-JD person.
Have had two of them since about 2009 and neither really needed much work done.
Have had two of them since about 2009 and neither really needed much work done.
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Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:23 am to idlewatcher
Just buy red or orange and the green will come around eventually.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:24 am to idlewatcher
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A completely non regulated country would look kinda like Haiti
Is Haiti a Constitutional Republic?
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:27 am to idlewatcher
John Deere is the Lilly Pulitzer of farm equipment.
Change my mind.
Change my mind.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:29 am to Night Vision
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Always have my John Deere riding mowers worked on by a non-JD person.
You are a pretty good example of what-if you had a major issue where your tractor shuts down (I'm aware you said mower) and it completely stops and throws codes.
In most instances, you could get your tractor version of ODB and clear the code/fault. But deciphering the codes from Deere apparently it's quite difficult and very vague.
Free market would indicate they can run their business how they see fit. If enough people get frustrated, then you go buy a Kubota instead and force Deere to adapt.
On the other hand, as stated earlier, these machines help provide part of our food supply and is in the national interest of the country.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:30 am to Eurocat
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:49 am to SlidellCajun
“I think people should be able to fix their own equipment”
A cattleman neighbor had a rat chew a wire on his JD tractor.He fixed it by splicing a scrap of wire he had in his shop.
It threw a code and locked up the computer.Had to get a tech from JD to come and reset the computer—-$700.
He was pissed,last tractor he bought was a Kubota.
A cattleman neighbor had a rat chew a wire on his JD tractor.He fixed it by splicing a scrap of wire he had in his shop.
It threw a code and locked up the computer.Had to get a tech from JD to come and reset the computer—-$700.
He was pissed,last tractor he bought was a Kubota.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:54 am to idlewatcher
And then idiot self repair farmers, will sue because it will void all warranty.
I'm fine w the code, while equipment is under warranty. After that, John deere should end code locks
I'm fine w the code, while equipment is under warranty. After that, John deere should end code locks
Posted on 7/9/26 at 8:04 am to lake chuck fan
Problem is that these companies always pull some sort of 'It's a safety issue" card. And pay of a government agency to add in regulation to enforce what they want.
Always leaves the citizen opening their wallet and giving up their hard earned money for shady bullshite.
Every industry is adding in complexity into their products. 10% to add features, 90% to siphon more money out of consumers.
Always leaves the citizen opening their wallet and giving up their hard earned money for shady bullshite.
Every industry is adding in complexity into their products. 10% to add features, 90% to siphon more money out of consumers.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 8:06 am to idlewatcher
The way Deere has been operating is crooked as frick. frick John Deere.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 8:07 am to idlewatcher
I’m actually in the heavy equipment industry.
VP for a Cat Dealer building Asia Pacific presence from Singapore.
President of 3 small OEM’s.
Bought a dealership, ran it for 8 years, then sold it.
Now working on some new ideas in the industry.
I know a pretty broad spectrum of people in the industry at all levels of the chain.
All that to say it’s remarkable to me how many people I know can see both sides of the issue.
FTR, Deere’s position doesn’t seem to be COMPLETELY about driving service to their dealerships, as is represented. The larger machines costing hundreds of thousands are a lot more complex on things like emissions and safety than most people realize, and it’s still not clear to what degree OEM’s are liable for changes made to them after they are shipped. I think they are taking it too far, and it’s telling that they seem to be on that hill by themselves.
I do believe it has cost them a LOT of customer loyalty, though.
VP for a Cat Dealer building Asia Pacific presence from Singapore.
President of 3 small OEM’s.
Bought a dealership, ran it for 8 years, then sold it.
Now working on some new ideas in the industry.
I know a pretty broad spectrum of people in the industry at all levels of the chain.
All that to say it’s remarkable to me how many people I know can see both sides of the issue.
FTR, Deere’s position doesn’t seem to be COMPLETELY about driving service to their dealerships, as is represented. The larger machines costing hundreds of thousands are a lot more complex on things like emissions and safety than most people realize, and it’s still not clear to what degree OEM’s are liable for changes made to them after they are shipped. I think they are taking it too far, and it’s telling that they seem to be on that hill by themselves.
I do believe it has cost them a LOT of customer loyalty, though.
This post was edited on 7/9/26 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/9/26 at 8:22 am to idlewatcher
Posted on 7/9/26 at 9:45 am to Ag Zwin
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The larger machines costing hundreds of thousands are a lot more complex on things like emissions and safety than most people realize, and it’s still not clear to what degree OEM’s are liable for changes made to them after they are shipped
This is where I have the biggest problem. Government regulations on many things, emissions being just one, defaults back to the OEM if there is a problem.
The OEM’s are spending a lot of money on research and develop for compliance and should have the ability to recoup the costs.
If owners/third parties repair/modify their equipment then the OEM should no longer be responsible.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 9:57 am to Ailsa
Funny story.
Back in the mid 90’s Deere came out with the CTS Rice combine. My buddy installed a CB radio in his. There is something like 9 miles of wire on it. After finding a hot wire, the radio worked, but when he cued the mic, the unloading auger would deploy.
Back in the mid 90’s Deere came out with the CTS Rice combine. My buddy installed a CB radio in his. There is something like 9 miles of wire on it. After finding a hot wire, the radio worked, but when he cued the mic, the unloading auger would deploy.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 9:59 am to idlewatcher
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Does the government have a right to tell American businesses how to operate their company? Deere’s methods have allowed a window of competing farm equipment to make inroads into their market share.
The government sets the business environment for the country via laws.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 10:00 am to TigerFred
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This is where I have the biggest problem. Government regulations on many things, emissions being just one, defaults back to the OEM if there is a problem.
The OEM’s are spending a lot of money on research and develop for compliance and should have the ability to recoup the costs.
If owners/third parties repair/modify their equipment then the OEM should no longer be responsible.
This is what I was describing earlier. Even if "right to repair" become law, it will still be prohibitively expensive to do and the risk profile changes a great deal.
Bricking a $1000 iPhone is nothing like bricking a $300k piece of farm machinery.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 10:00 am to idlewatcher
All the domestic auto manufacturers want the same restrictions on vehicles.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 10:02 am to Junky
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Deere has lost their way and the government stepping in was the correct call.
The old John Deere company sold the franchise to another group some years ago. The new company produced a cheaper product and just made money off the name John Deere.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 10:04 am to lake chuck fan
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I don't think John Deere engine error codes qualifies, but that's my simple opinion.
I would think the whole meme about McDonald’s ice cream machines would push this further.
The company which makes the machines has a monopoly via contract with McD corporate forcing franchisees to buy them. They then have the error codes gated so that someone has to call a repair tech out for innocuous shite they could handle themselves if they could read the codes.
Hence why a third party code reader has been put out there and the company has been trying to force them off the market.
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