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re: Where can we put data centers?
Posted on 9/14/26 at 3:58 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 9/14/26 at 3:58 am to TrueTiger
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There are many abandoned industrial areas in cities. Places where they used to have steel mills, car factories, textile mills, etc.
No adequate power and water resources. These things use the power of cities. Neither are the existing buildings large enough or efficient enough for modern Advanced Technologies. The retro to a "Smart Building" would cost more than a new one. Data centers are very clean. Lots of air changes and a gazillion HEPA filters, much cleaner than an operating room. Very similar to a microelectronics manufacturing plant in build requirements.
And they're BIG!
This post was edited on 9/14/26 at 4:07 am
Posted on 9/14/26 at 4:04 am to LawnmowerMan
Waggaman or Bawcomville
Posted on 9/14/26 at 4:19 am to LawnmowerMan
There are lots of paper mills demolished over the last 25 years. tetThey used much water than a major data center does.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 5:33 am to LawnmowerMan
China is pushing the negative press on data centers because they realize the importance of winning the AI race. We had better wake up. If you don’t want data centers, quit using the internet.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:12 am to LawnmowerMan
Beside the White house and Mar a lago.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:15 am to 10thyrsr
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The reason they need to be so much larger is because there is so much more information about people floating out there that they want to include it all.
If people would cease the minute-by-minute Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, X look-at-Meeeeeeeee! bullschitt, we’d need about 25% of what’s being built.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:15 am to LawnmowerMan
Just listened to a podcast about how Europe regulated themselves out of trillions of dollars of AI investment and their economy is essentially doomed to collapse under the weight of their welfare state.
We have a percentage of Americans who would love to see the same thing happen here.
We have a percentage of Americans who would love to see the same thing happen here.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:18 am to Victor R Franko
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Building the largest data center campus in the US out in west Texas. Smack dab over the Permian Basin and will use NG right from the source. Large scale AI.
This makes me wonder why they aren't pursuing NW Alberta. There's a massive NG field there to tap into and the water table is only ~20 feet down. Yes, they would need to pipe the interwebz there, but that would seem to be a small price to pay for the savings on cooling and electricity. Heck, if they find the right spot they could even take advantage of some permafrost to keep things cool.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:30 am to LawnmowerMan
In my back yard would be just fine
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:31 am to LawnmowerMan
Southern Idaho.
Lots of space and plenty of water
Lots of space and plenty of water
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:45 am to LawnmowerMan
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That have enough water and don't piss people off in the area
There is an area largely in rural areas south of where I live. A reservoir was going to be built there to supply drinking water to a large city to the west. But there was never a commitment to fund it and permitting became a problem. The project died.
It could be resurrected for the express purpose of supplying water for more than one data center. I just need to write my congressman about it. The area is so rural nobody would notice the data centers.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 7:33 am to LawnmowerMan
Several colleges will go out of business soon.
Shopping malls are empty.
Downtown old cities have empty buildings.
Shopping malls are empty.
Downtown old cities have empty buildings.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 7:48 am to Victor R Franko
Darn Franko,
7.65GW is enough to power five million homes.
7.65GW is enough to power five million homes.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 7:52 am to weagle1999
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Does anyone know specifically what they are being used for? Not conjecture, actual info?
Yes. It’s common knowledge. First, we have had data centers for decades. They are used for handling websites like tigerdroppings, facebook, cnn etc. Second they are used for colocation. This is when a company decides it is better to lease server space from a data center than to manage its own servers. Third, they handle streaming of content for entertainment. And there are many other uses that I can’t even think of right now.
When we do searches, on sites like google, it takes a lot of computational power and uses a lot of energy. We would be building more data centers to meet this rising demand even if AI was not booming.
AI is radically increasing the demand. Already this morning I’ve done two AI searches. I wanted to know the implications of my wife’s sleep monitor score showing a low heart rate variability. I asked that and several followup questions. I also asked ChatGPT to give me a preliminary itinerary for a vacation I have upcoming.
With those two searches I was able to accomplish two small research projects in minutes that would have taken hours before AI. But in doing so, the amount of data center usage for my personal needs has increased exponentially.
I’m a small-time user, but imagine tens of millions of people doing this, plus people at work doing it, and you start to get an idea of why they are building data centers so rapidly. It is because you and I are using so much compute and storage that as fast as they get these data centers built they are leased out and profitable.
In short, they are not building data centers because they have a grand plan; they are building them for the same reason that they build mini-storages and ski boats - because people want them and are willing to pay for them.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 7:53 am to themunch
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Why are there no contested areas in the big cities?
I imagine cost of real estate would be the primary factor
Posted on 9/14/26 at 7:56 am to Victor R Franko
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No adequate power and water resources.
Those old sites used power and water.
The water use of data centers is largely a bullshite mass hysteria play. Golf courses use more water.
As for power, the infrastructure already exists nearby. It may need upgrades but the space and right of way is already there as opposed to zero out in the country.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 8:06 am to OccamsStubble
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If people would cease the minute-by-minute Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, X look-at-Meeeeeeeee! bullschitt, we’d need about 25% of what’s being built.
I remember zuckerberg testifying before congress and he was asked the total number of interactions in a day facebook,instagram, whatsapp......and it was in the 100s of billions.
I said to the wife, how can that be there are only about six billion cellphones out there. She said, think about a phone conversation as a text conversation, a two minute phone call we probably interact 20 times. Now imagine billions of people texting hours a day, thats a lot of data.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 8:06 am to RedSoloSpitCup
That will be the next ploy by the chinese, they will say texting supresses your desire to be a transexual and suddenly all of America will stop texting, AI funding will dry up, and we will all be speaking Mandarin in a few decades.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:19 am to 10thyrsr
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My work is about 50 percent data centers. They are being used for raw computing power. The government (read CIA and NSA) previously operated much smaller data centers to sort through your phone calls and other communications to identify possible threats.
These are much larger facilities, but they operate on the same principle. They want to process data (flock cameras, cell phone data, online images, basically any information they can consume) and produce a product that can then be sold to the highest bidder.
The reason they need to be so much larger is because there is so much more information about people floating out there that they want to include it all.
Pair that unfathomable information gathered with today's AI capability and you have an almost godlike entity that can tell you everything you would want to know about a person, group, military, country, etc.
AI can now track all of our nuclear subs based on seemingly unrelated information if they have enough data.
THAT is why AI advancement (and the data centers that power them) are of the utmost importance to our government.
I'm replying to you, but just to add something.
Some of these data centers are just ordinary business. Microsoft, Google, and others need data centers to host their online services, such as AWS, Azure, and other SaaS solutions. The same goes for other tech companies. It's doubtful that every new data center is 100% AI focused.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:46 am to LawnmowerMan
I hope they build the biggest mega campus data center in St Tammany or tangipahoa where I live and can benefit.
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