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Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:59 am to the808bass
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Typical faggotry.
I dont think TBoy believes in any of this BS, he is just trolling on this point
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:59 am to kingbob
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With birthright citizenship, paperwork is really easy.
Oh well, heaven f****** forbid we have some extra paperwork to save our country.
This is the stupidest thing I've read on this board in a long time and there's a Q thread.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:00 am to MMauler
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Or, do you mean the Mexicans, who cross the border illegally to have their babies here so that then they’ll be allowed to import their entire f*cking family over here on the chain migration laws. All the while, of course, the entire f*cking lazy family is on the government dole.
Have you ever worked with a Mexican? Lazy is one of the last words I’d choose
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:00 am to DeathValley85
It was originally created (rightfully so in my opinion) in response to Dred Scott and ensure citizenship for the freed slaves.
It has subsequently been turned on its head and is a wonderful loophole for the mass migration enthusiasts of the 21st century who can’t complete “Fundamental Change” fast enough.
It has subsequently been turned on its head and is a wonderful loophole for the mass migration enthusiasts of the 21st century who can’t complete “Fundamental Change” fast enough.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:02 am to the808bass
I'm not following so maybe I don't understand how anti-birthright people want the new system to be.
If we get rid of birthright citizenship, and an illegal immigrant gives birth on US soil, that child wouldn't have citizenship and (as I understand it) could be eligible for deportation even if he's 25 years old and only speaks English.
If the answer is, "well yeah, his parents shouldn't have come here," that's not a good answer in my view.
If we get rid of birthright citizenship, and an illegal immigrant gives birth on US soil, that child wouldn't have citizenship and (as I understand it) could be eligible for deportation even if he's 25 years old and only speaks English.
If the answer is, "well yeah, his parents shouldn't have come here," that's not a good answer in my view.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:02 am to kingbob
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With birthright citizenship, paperwork is really easy. The kid is born at the hospital in the states, it’s automatically a citizen, the kid gets a birth certificate printed for them.
There is no paperwork without a retarded birthright citizenship rule. They are born and then go back home after their visit. Why are we bringing bureaucracy into this?
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:02 am to Yokelhoma
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If we get rid of birthright citizenship, and an illegal immigrant gives birth on US soil, that child wouldn't have citizenship and (as I understand it) could be eligible for deportation even if he's 25 years old and only speaks English.
I’m not sure how you’re not following unless you’re just being obtuse.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:03 am to Yokelhoma
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If the answer is, "well yeah, his parents shouldn't have come here," that's not a good answer in my view.
And that thinking - reasonable in many respects - is how we got here. To the point of having a country with very few meaningful ties among us.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:04 am to Yokelhoma
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I'm not following so maybe I don't understand how anti-birthright people want the new system to be. If we get rid of birthright citizenship, and an illegal immigrant gives birth on US soil, that child wouldn't have citizenship and (as I understand it) could be eligible for deportation even if he's 25 years old and only speaks English. If the answer is, "well yeah, his parents shouldn't have come here," that's not a good answer in my view.
I would imagine kids already born would be allowed to keep citizenship but going forward any kids born here to illegals would not be.
Doesn’t seem that difficult a solution honestly.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:06 am to DeathValley85
Not to be an annoying centrist, but it’s much lower stakes than either side want to admit.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:08 am to the808bass
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We are below replacement rate on native births.
AI, Automation, and Advanced Robotics will make this obsolete in near future. We will have too many people most of which will be out of work.
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Lower percent of white people means that it’s easier to get the revolution moving in earnest.
White people are how we are in this mess to begin with. All the politicians who enabled illegal immigration, all the religious NGO's who enable illegal immigration are 'white' people.
We have 30 to 40 million illegal immigrants here and no viable way to deport them. Once one of those groups decides to rise up doesn't matter who it is if its Muslim's, Indians, Mexicans, people from El Salvador, Guatemala, or Honduras there is nothing we can do to stop them they will run roughshod over everyone. Its too late at this point. Look at the numbers of illegals here from each of those groups. If any single one of them band together we are fricked. We don't have a country essentially because we can't enforce any immigration laws and we don't have law and order either see illegal immigration as an example.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:09 am to ronricks
Who hijacked your account?
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:09 am to kingbob
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Without birthright citizenship, suddenly there’s a lot of questions that have to be asked and a whole lot of vagueries to be answered.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:09 am to Robin Masters
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Feudalism
It’s based on English common law whereby if you were born on the kings land you were his subject (slave).
This is the correct answer. Trump, consistent with the inference, should declare himself the sole monarch and everyone born on his soil is his subject.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:10 am to the808bass
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We are below replacement rate on native births.
Then let's create a nation where people are so optimistic that they choose to have enough kids to replace them, instead of importing people from other countries.
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:12 am to DeathValley85
read a summary of the dissent.. big fan of Gorsuch.
in any case, to answer your question (though i would have agreed with Gorsuch that domiciled means parents must have a lawful home / presence) birthright citizenship advocates argue it fosters assimilation, prevents an underclass with no rights, etc etc.. the whole 'give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses' thing.
so, this just means immigration must be very strictly controlled...
in any case, to answer your question (though i would have agreed with Gorsuch that domiciled means parents must have a lawful home / presence) birthright citizenship advocates argue it fosters assimilation, prevents an underclass with no rights, etc etc.. the whole 'give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses' thing.
so, this just means immigration must be very strictly controlled...
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:13 am to the808bass
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Who hijacked your account?
Find me one post on here where I have encouraged Illegal Immigration?
Look at the numbers and really I'm betting these are on the low side:
Mexico: 4.3 million to 5.5 million
Guatemala: 1.4 million
Honduras: 1.1 million
El Salvador: 1.0 million
India: 725,000
These are how many illegal immigrants are here that we know of
If any single one of these groups decided rise up we would be fricked and no way to stop them. Its a huge problem that every single administration since Jimmy Carter has allowed to happen.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:15 am to DeathValley85
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I understand the argument(s) behind the SCOTUS ruling...but more broadly what's the argument for keeping it as is?
Legitimately can't think of one.
I am very pro-immigrant, but I am also skeptical of the idea of birthright citizenship based on the state of the US and the world currently. As a country we are not growing into new, largely unpopulated territories anymore after just coming out of a huge civil war. Our welfare system has expanded to a cradle to the grave system that is exploited by many people, and some immigrant groups (looking at you Somalis) find other government programs to exploit. So if there was an orderly proposal to ending it, the American first part of me would support it.
To play devil's advocate to answer your question it is that ending it unnecessarily harms the child. The US has been a nation of immigration since it's inception, so assimilating the children of immigrants into the country as citizens is in the same vein as that. Ending it causes children, who through no fault of their own, to be potentially stateless or subject to civil consequences in the US that they did not contribute to.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:15 am to 844_Tiger
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The let's create a nation where people are so optimistic that they choose to have enough kids to replace them, instead of importing people from other countries.
The easiest way to do that is to reduce the tax burden on productive people. If you’re a sheet metal worker and your wife is a teacher, we should encourage you popping out 3-4 kids.
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