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Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:39 pm to HempHead
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Well, I'd say that depends. As you well know, there has been a pretty big amount of discord in our camp re: immigration and certain folks encouraging 'degenerate' norms
I don't think it's really up for debate. The lefties can cry and scream all they want, but private property is private property and rightful owners can exclude as much as they like. Otherwise, it isn't really private property.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:40 pm to jdeval1
Libertarians are actually pretty split on abortion. No real party line on when someone achieves personhood.
On a related note, some of the most interesting theoretical arguments I’ve ever seen were between libertarians debating whether it violated the NAP to use physical force to remove a child from a dangerous situation.
On a related note, some of the most interesting theoretical arguments I’ve ever seen were between libertarians debating whether it violated the NAP to use physical force to remove a child from a dangerous situation.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:40 pm to jdeval1
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They believe in open borders,
Libertarians do not believe in open borders. We believe if someone has our American values and that they can provide a service and get here on their own, then we should allow them to pursue the American Dream. We don’t support bringing in refugees or people that will use the system against itself.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:40 pm to kingbob
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It’s simply a debate of whether we should put the cart or the horse first.
Right, that's the debate.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:41 pm to Eurocat
Well, if crack was legal, would you use it?
You wouldn’t? Well, then you don’t need a law to tell you not to do something you already have no interest in doing. Whether something is legal or not, those that want it will get it (or as similar a version as is available), and those who don’t want it will not. If our police forces would actually solve property crime and our justice system would execute petty thieves, we’d have a lot fewer crackheads who cause problems.
Adjudicate the property and violent crimes. Don’t make the substance a crime. Some people are actually capable of using recreational drugs like alcohol and cocaine without driving unsafely, stealing from our neighbors, and murdering people. Maybe instead of trying to make substances illegal, we should be putting away people drive itresponsively, kill people, and steal crap?
You wouldn’t? Well, then you don’t need a law to tell you not to do something you already have no interest in doing. Whether something is legal or not, those that want it will get it (or as similar a version as is available), and those who don’t want it will not. If our police forces would actually solve property crime and our justice system would execute petty thieves, we’d have a lot fewer crackheads who cause problems.
Adjudicate the property and violent crimes. Don’t make the substance a crime. Some people are actually capable of using recreational drugs like alcohol and cocaine without driving unsafely, stealing from our neighbors, and murdering people. Maybe instead of trying to make substances illegal, we should be putting away people drive itresponsively, kill people, and steal crap?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:42 pm to HempHead
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:42 pm to kingbob
I’m starting to think that this thread was simply a ploy to smoke us all out into the open
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:42 pm to Eurocat
From what I have observed, most of those people hate the opposition way more than they care about any policy
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:43 pm to jdeval1
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I'm not a true libertarian. They believe in open borders, abortion and a few other things that I don't stand for.
It's a crying shame that the shitbag LP has led people to believe that libertarians are for "open borders"
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:44 pm to MrCarton
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Not everyone wants to live in a libertine society or community. Some of us have strong preferences for certain social norms. Who is anyone to say we shouldn't?
A perfect example of this is the Amish.
To be frank, if you want a church going, chastity until marriage, white picket fence, purely one race, 100 % Christian commune then have at it.
Where you cross the line is when you impose these things on others who do not wish to partake it.
I say the same thing on here that I say on a liberal board (with different examples).
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:45 pm to Joshjrn
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think that’s a fundamental misunderstanding when it comes to libertarians: just because we think it should be legal for a couple of guys to sit around naked snorting coke off their marriage license while hitting each other on the dick with a ball peen hammer doesn’t mean we think it’s a good fricking idea
Zackly. There is a huge contingent of libertarians (most of whom live in their parent's basement) who are preaching libertinism on Twitter. Libertarianism is about private property. I wish they would just stick to that and leave the bullshite for everyone else.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:46 pm to volod
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Where you cross the line is when you impose these things on others who do not wish to partake it.
One of the most dangerous modern thoughts, in terms of politics, is that good governance and societal structure is universalistic rather than particularistic in nature.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:46 pm to OMLandshark
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Libertarians do not believe in open borders
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Libertarians do not support classifying undocumented immigrants as criminals.
LINK
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:46 pm to volod
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A perfect example of this is the Amish.
To be frank, if you want a church going, chastity until marriage, white picket fence, purely one race, 100 % Christian commune then have at it.
Hoppe would describe this as a "covenant community" and I think he is dead nuts on.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:47 pm to jdeval1
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jdeval1
lol @ you using the Libertarian Party as the examplar of libertarianism
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:47 pm to jdeval1
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Libertarians
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LP.ORG
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:48 pm to NotoriousFSU
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I think it's kind of silly for you to suggest people shouldn't partake in these things. even if you would never seek to limit those liberties via legislative policy.
Silly? Really? Well, while I'm at it, don't do heroin and don't smoke in bed. Those things are bad for you...and potentially others around you.
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As if to say your set of moral standards are so righteous that deviating from the path you've chosen is an act of defiance against humanity.
It's pretty simple really and not at all silly. I have a personal moral code that is founded in my faith. I believe there is such a thing as right and wrong. I also believe in free will. As long as you're not harming someone else (microagressions don't count
), I think it is neither just or productive for me or a collective of people who think like me to force you to do anything. That doesn't mean I don't recognize certain behavior as destructive or even sinful. quote:
But, at least you don't take it a step further like the Progressives who wish they could reconfigure the social pillars of modern society in accordance with their code of ethics and moral values.
Thanks for recognizing the difference.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:48 pm to narddogg81
Why the personal attack?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:48 pm to MrCarton
And there are debilitating consequences brought upon society when certain groups of people are cast out, or even oppressed in some instances, because they don't comply with the norms of the groups with strong preferences. Islam is a good example of the extremes humanity is capable of reaching when ideology is in its fuel cell. I'm not implying you'd resort to terrorism to achieve your vision of a better society. However, ideology is as capable of a destructive force as any in regards to leveling society.
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