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re: Whatever happened to the libertarians on this board?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:50 pm to MrCarton
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:50 pm to MrCarton
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t's a crying shame that the shitbag LP has led people to believe that libertarians are for "open borders"
We don't always see eye to eye.
But I agree 1000%
We think border control needs something more intimate than a physical barrier that can be sapped or passed over via the GOM illegal transport.
Build a wall, but create an economic net. Punish these companies. End the gravy train of $ and the illegals will finally g1st out.
Staff up ICE and keep 24 hour patrols in known hot spots.
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:50 pm to kingbob
Its a psychological thing.
If it is legal more people will do it, thinking "well it can't be all that bad, if it was it would not be allowed".
If it is legal more people will do it, thinking "well it can't be all that bad, if it was it would not be allowed".
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:52 pm to Eurocat
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Its a psychological thing.
If it is legal more people will do it, thinking "well it can't be all that bad, if it was it would not be allowed".
So then we should outlaw all the drug culture shite in music and television I guess.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:52 pm to Eurocat
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If it is legal more people will do it, thinking "well it can't be all that bad, if it was it would not be allowed".
By that measure, all deleterious behavior ought to be controlled and regulated by our benevolent and wise governors.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:53 pm to Eurocat
There’s also the opposite psychological effect of:
If it’s illegal, it must be cool! Doing this is a proest against the man!
In states where marijuana is legalized, its usage among teens goes down because it’s no longer cool and taboo.
If it’s illegal, it must be cool! Doing this is a proest against the man!
In states where marijuana is legalized, its usage among teens goes down because it’s no longer cool and taboo.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:54 pm to Eurocat
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against sex outside of marriage
What does this have to do with libertarianism?
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affairs
I don't know anybody who supports affairs.
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reading the "wrong" texts
?
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not living a Christian life which is supposedly our foundation
What does this have to do with libertarianism?
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Where are the libertarians, why are they not taking on the Trumpkins? Cowardice?
I'm a libertarian and a Trump supporter, at least most of the time.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:54 pm to Eurocat
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If it is legal more people will do it, thinking "well it can't be all that bad, if it was it would not be allowed".
Yeah, because that worked out so well with heroin: Heroin is more than 600 times cheaper than it was before the War on Drugs
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:55 pm to volod
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We think border control needs something more intimate than a physical barrier that can be sapped or passed over via the GOM illegal transport.
Build a wall, but create an economic net. Punish these companies. End the gravy train of $ and the illegals will finally g1st out.
Staff up ICE and keep 24 hour patrols in known hot spots.
It's very complicated from an ideological standpoint, for me at least.
The way I see it is that my property has been forcefully taken from me and used to contribute to a great deal of public properties and services. Allowing foreigners in to use that property without having contributed is just exacerbating the property violations. It has to stop.
That said, I want universal private property, which would pretty much eliminate a large scale issue over borders, as property owners (not the state) could decide who gets to use what.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:55 pm to HempHead
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lol @ you using the Libertarian Party as the examplar of libertarianism
It's at best a cloudy issue for libertarians.
I also didn't care for Johnson/Weld at all. I thought Rand was a far better candidate for someone like me but he'll never be mainstream enough to win.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:56 pm to jdeval1
The fact that a man who used to hang out, as a child, with Murray Rothbard and Walter Block, is a sitting US Senator amazes me.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:57 pm to MrCarton
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So then we should outlaw all the drug culture shite in music and television I guess.
He’s a progressive. The answer to that question might surprise you
Feinstein wants to censor video games, McCaskill too. Boycott game of thrones because too much nudity and they depicted rape
The democrats are the party of imposing standards of morality. Then when someone has their own standards by which they live...they’re nazis
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:57 pm to jdeval1
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LINK
From that link:
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We respect and admire their courage and are proud that they see the United States as a place of freedom, stability, and prosperity.
Well, billions of people don't believe this. Plus I don't think any libertarian wants to financially support someone coming over here.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:57 pm to NotoriousFSU
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And there are debilitating consequences brought upon society when certain groups of people are cast out, or even oppressed in some instances, because they don't comply with the norms of the groups with strong preferences. Islam is a good example of the extremes humanity is capable of reaching when ideology is in its fuel cell. I'm not implying you'd resort to terrorism to achieve your vision of a better society. However, ideology is as capable of a destructive force as any in regards to society.
And what of the debilitating consequences of forcing different cultures to live in a single society that nobody is satisfied with?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:58 pm to HempHead
Not sure how often you check LewRockwell's site... (if you ever did.)
Thought you would find this interesting.
Thought you would find this interesting.
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From: R
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 6:53 PM
To: Walter Block
Subject: Anti-Semitism
I have to say Dr. Block, that I have deep feelings of resentment toward Zionist Jews. From Mayer Rothschild to Bernanke and Soros, I have serious problems. I have liked Ben Shapiro for a few years. Wow what a brilliant young man he is. But I just read an article that was linked on LRC in which he said that Yasser Arafat was “the most notorious thug of the 20th century”. What does that even mean? Certainly other men in the 20th century were more thug like and more notorious? Maybe Truman dropping the bomb perhaps? It’s that kind of thing that bothers me. I think you are Jewish, so I am reaching out in need of guidance on this. R
Dear R: I have great resentment not to Zionist Jews, but to virtually ALL Jews. Why? Because most of them are socialists, progressives, communists, liberals, Bernie and Hillary supporters, Democrats; ugh.
As it happens, I am myself Jewish. I’m not practicing, but I was born to Jewish parents, I was bar-mitzvahed, and when and if the next Hitler comes along, I will be undoubtedly on his list. But I don’t resent ALL Jews. Some of us were/are leaders in the freedom movement. Just to name a few:
Gary Becker,
Walter E. Block,
Nathaniel Brandon,
Alan Bock,
Frank Chodorov,
Aaron Director,
Michael Edelstein,
Gene Epstein,
Marcus Epstein,
Richard Epstein,
Lanny Freidlander,
David D. Friedman,
Milton Friedman,
Rose Friedman,
Steve Globerman,
David Gordon,
Gary Greenberg,
Ron Hamowy,
Steve Horwitz
Israel Kirzner,
Ludwig Lachmann,
Michael Levin,
Ludwig von Mises,
Victor Niederhoffer,
Robert Nozick,
Leonard Piekoff,
Dyanne Petersen,
Ayn Rand,
David Ricardo,
Howard Rich,
Murray Rothbard,
Aaron Russo,
Murray Sabrin,
Anna Schwartz,
Bernie Seigan,
Arthur Seldon
Julian Simon,
Unhappily, Jews of this sort are if not rarer than hen’s teeth, almost as rare. Not all of these Jews would consider themselves libertarians. The Objectivists would certainly reject this appellation. But, none of them, not a single one, were, or would have been, socialists, progressives, communists, liberals, Bernie and Hillary supporters, Democrats. If anyone can add to this list of mine, or correct it in any other way, please do so. Note, I do not include those who consider themselves to be conservatives and certainly not, equally ugh, neo-cons.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:58 pm to kingbob
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something libertarians can get behind.
quote:What? Libertarians are in support of government regulation of the internet? Hmm, wtf?
Doesn’t mean we won’t criticize Trump when he does something stupid, like repeal Net Neutrality.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:58 pm to DelU249
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The democrats are the party of imposing standards of morality. Then when someone has their own standards by which they live...they’re nazis
Pretty much. It's annoying as frick.
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He’s a progressive. The answer to that question might surprise you
Progressives never cease to amaze me.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:00 pm to Jake88
I want the FCC abolished
Entirely, completely. frick if I want to give them power over the internet.
Entirely, completely. frick if I want to give them power over the internet.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:00 pm to Collegedropout
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Collegedropout
Curt Doolittle has some interesting things to say about how Judaism influenced anarcho-capitalism (after all, Mises and Rothbard were Jewish themselves), and how the moral reasoning for certain positions (while tenable in certain terms) is 'ghetto ethics'. I'm not saying I agree, but it's an interesting rabbit hole to ponder.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:00 pm to Collegedropout
quote:He's never heard of it I'm sure
Not sure how often you check LewRockwell's site... (if you ever did.)
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:01 pm to Collegedropout
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Just to name a few:
Gary Becker,
Walter E. Block,
Nathaniel Brandon,
Alan Bock,
Frank Chodorov,
Aaron Director,
Michael Edelstein,
Gene Epstein,
Marcus Epstein,
Richard Epstein,
Lanny Freidlander,
David D. Friedman,
Milton Friedman,
Rose Friedman,
Steve Globerman,
David Gordon,
Gary Greenberg,
Ron Hamowy,
Steve Horwitz
Israel Kirzner,
Ludwig Lachmann,
Michael Levin,
Ludwig von Mises,
Victor Niederhoffer,
Robert Nozick,
Leonard Piekoff,
Dyanne Petersen,
Ayn Rand,
David Ricardo,
Howard Rich,
Murray Rothbard,
Aaron Russo,
Murray Sabrin,
Anna Schwartz,
Bernie Seigan,
Arthur Seldon
Julian Simon,
Some fricking studs in that group!
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