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re: What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:14 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:14 pm to Sentrius
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Are you of the opinion that rape victims who carry the baby to term are self torturing or mentally strong and courageous?
It could be either/or, but I'd bet 9 times out of 10 it's more her own family torturing her with their own ideology forcing her to have the kid than anything else.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:19 pm to kingbob
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don't repay evil by taking an innocent life. Take the child to term. I you can't take care of it, put it up for adoption. At least give the child a chance at a happy life.
I just find this to be an incredibly mysogystic point of view. Let's say if you were rapped by a man, you wouldn't have a constant reminder months later that continues to grow in your stomach and have to change your whole life. You wouldn't want that doing even more long term damage to your mental psyche, would you?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:34 pm to OMLandshark
You know, a lot of children conceived out of bad or traumatic situations are loved and cherished by their mothers and aren't viewed as some sort of torture device.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:39 pm to FooManChoo
I'd argue that's because those women, with the option of aborting that child, CHOSE to have the child and make the necessary sacrifices.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:39 pm to FooManChoo
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You know, a lot of children conceived out of bad or traumatic situations are loved and cherished by their mothers and aren't viewed as some sort of torture device. Just a thought.
And many aren't.
Child protective services didn't spring up from a love well.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:42 pm to mahdragonz
quote:My point is that they aren't some sort of evil tumors that deserve to be killed just because they were conceived from rape, which is basically what this guy is saying.
And many aren't.
Child protective services didn't spring up from a love well.
ETA:
Oh, and CPS gets involved in a lot of cases where the children were conceived from "loving" relationships where the children really are loved, but still mistreated (drugs and alcohol are typically involved). It's not just "rape babies".
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:57 pm to Jim Rockford
If God punishes women that were impregnated against their will in the sick crime known as rape and whom choose to not bring that baby into the world, I don't want to believe in that God.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:08 pm to Jcorye1
A lot of people don't like the God that they don't really understand, anyway, so that's not surprising.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:25 pm to Jim Rockford
I would tell her not to have the abortion. I would then propose to her and raise the child as my own.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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You were a victim of a despicable act of crime that grossly violated your right to life and liberty, but my belief that life begins at conception forces me to view any action against the innocent life inside of you as unjust punishment on a third party.
This
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:05 pm to La Place Mike
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I would tell her not to have the abortion. I would then propose to her and raise the child as my own.
Seriously?!?!
Would you raise the kid to honor his fathers religion and take him to mosques and teach him about the Islamic faith? Would you respect the culture of his father - the rapist - that the west is terrible and against all he stood for?
Would you be willing to give up custody willingly if his father were known and wanted his child back? That child could be a boy and be trained as a child soldier or a girl and be given in marriage at age 8 or 10?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:08 pm to mahdragonz
quote:Yes! Yes! Oh allah, YES!
Would you raise the kid to honor his fathers religion and take him to mosques and teach him about the Islamic faith? Would you respect the culture of his father - the rapist - that the west is terrible and against all he stood for?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:20 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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and who are you or I to tell the Yazidi woman what to do?
That was the point of my post jack weed
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:23 pm to OMLandshark
Aside from the angry ranting and cursing that you've littered this thread with, murder is wrong no matter the circumstance. In a lot of peoples opinion, a baby is indeed a person so killing them is murder based in that they did nothing except exist. It doesn't really have to do with hating that poor woman. In fact I spend much of my time working with youth who have been sexually abused and/or raped. I understand that pain and understand that damage. I still however don't feel that killing someone without cause is justifiable.
Similar to the argument made for homosexuals in that they shouldn't be hated, killed, mocked, etc for something they did not choose, I feel it's wrong to terminate a child who had no choice in the matter at all.
As for the constant reminder, there are plenty of women who had children by husbands that beat them. Does that mean that they should be allowed to kill that child because it reminds them of the abuse?
Lastly, with regards to the whole idea that God arranges rape for his glory is not exactly the way it is. People do evil to others and god doesn't like it. People have a free will and do evil things to each other. In a Christians opinion, god hates sin such as rape for example, but he can bring positive things out of a negative situation.
Bringing a positive thing out of an awful situation =/= sanctioning or arranging said awful situation.
Similar to the argument made for homosexuals in that they shouldn't be hated, killed, mocked, etc for something they did not choose, I feel it's wrong to terminate a child who had no choice in the matter at all.
As for the constant reminder, there are plenty of women who had children by husbands that beat them. Does that mean that they should be allowed to kill that child because it reminds them of the abuse?
Lastly, with regards to the whole idea that God arranges rape for his glory is not exactly the way it is. People do evil to others and god doesn't like it. People have a free will and do evil things to each other. In a Christians opinion, god hates sin such as rape for example, but he can bring positive things out of a negative situation.
Bringing a positive thing out of an awful situation =/= sanctioning or arranging said awful situation.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:35 pm to OMLandshark
Why do you hate rape babies so much? It's not like they had a choice in the matter. Calling a child a "cancerous tumor" that "doesn't deserve to see the light of day" seems pretty harsh.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:07 am to Mattwells90
Pretty cold and callous if you ask me.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:20 am to Mattwells90
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Why do you hate rape babies so much? It's not like they had a choice in the matter. Calling a child a "cancerous tumor" that "doesn't deserve to see the light of day" seems pretty harsh.
I mean no offense to OML but that's what struck me about him in this thread. The child is still a neutral 3rd party that had no choice of being conceived and it has no emotions or feelings about the situation the child him/herself was brought into.
When it comes to an attitude like this, I wonder how he would react if he met and had a conversation with someone he knew that was conceived through rape. It'd be a different thing entirely than looking at it as just a clump of cells now. This is why you shouldn't argue in absolutes.
With that said, I can still think of it as a clump of cells that can be removed and I have no reservations removing that after a horrific event like rape but its still a clump of cells that can grow into a fully grown human being so that's why I would have a heavy heart throughout the process.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:30 am to Jim Rockford
Reassure her that the CIA will raise and train him to be a vengeful, ninja, death dealing wraith that will avenge his mother and dispense some good ol' American whoopass on those frickers and their kids, and kid's kids, and their kid's kid's kids. And give her the book and movie rights.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:01 am to Sentrius
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With that said, I can still think of it as a clump of cells that can be removed and I have no reservations removing that after a horrific event like rape but its still a clump of cells that can grow into a fully grown human being so that's why I would have a heavy heart throughout the process.
And we can disagree on the point that the child is just a clump of cells and isn't really a person, but we agree calling an unborn human being a cancerous tumor is extreme. It's not like the kid is a vampire or something. It's just a person.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:08 am to Jim Rockford
I would say dramatic anecdotes have nothing to do with the fact that 90% of abortions in the US are done for frivolous reasons, mostly that whores who can't stay off their backs and/or are too lazy to use any of the zillion methods of birth control readily available use abortion as a back stop for birth control.
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