re: What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?

I fundamentally disagree with your position and think it is cold and callous, and I'm sure you feel the same way about mine.

This is why I hesitate to engage in the abortion debate. There is no middle ground.

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Life isn't fair. The "punishment" of the mother is emotional. I don't want to downplay the harm to her psyche, but in my mind, her emotional comfort does not outweigh the life of the child. The woman is going to be "punished" with that emotional baggage the rest of her life, regardless of whether or not the child is born.

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That kid was conceived out of an evil act. It should have never been there. You are so self righteous that, while I hope this never happens to a loved one of yours, I guarantee that you'd change your tune really quickly if this ever happened to you. It's easy to be self righteous behind your glass house, but when it comes crashing down around you, you'd join most sane people in thinking forcing a woman to give birth to her rapist's baby is just downright fricked up. If you would still force your hypothetical daughter to give birth to the kid, then you're a horrible human being.

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Whenever you hear 'taxes = theft', not one word.

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Without taxes, the world falls apart, so shitty analogy.

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I fundamentally disagree with your position and think it is cold and callous, and I'm sure you feel the same way about mine.

This is why I hesitate to engage in the abortion debate. There is no middle ground.

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I know it sounds cold and callous. I could say the same thing about those who invest their emotions 100% in the mother while supporting the killing of the unborn child.

The problem is that if you don't agree with abortion, you somehow want the mother to feel bad or you relish the idea of her being emotionally or psychologically damaged from it. Usually the opposite is true.

It's a terrible situation, but evil exists in our world and we have to deal with it as best as possible. I think rape is evil, but I also think abortion is also evil in most cases, including rape.

It isn't callous to think that the child should have a chance at life, just because it was the result of a traumatic event. I can feel empathy towards the mother while desiring that she keep the child.

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Who is being self righteous, here? Apparently if I don't hold the same moral standard as you when it comes to abortion, I'm a horrible human being.

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Here is pure logic.

Why should anyone have to follow your principles if they don't want to?

Do you support laws that limit abortion freedoms? There is no logical reason for this.

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I know it sounds cold and callous.

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Well, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

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I could say the same thing about those who invest their emotions 100% in the mother while supporting the killing of the unborn child.

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No you can't, since that child was conceived under an act of pure evil. That child by no sane person's mind should have ever been conceived. It does not deserve to see the light of day. I can see the argument when two idiots are fricking around and don't use protection and this happens, but no matter how you dice it with a rape, it's evil to let that child see the light of day. In its most basic form, what you're proposing is that God wanted that girl to get raped in order to conceive this child, to do who knows what holy plan for him. Basically for me, that proposes that God is evil and will let monstrous things happen just for the sake of procreation. I think God is a bit more humane than that and is understanding that this woman is in a traumatic and horrible situation, and she made due with the best option available to her, which is most certainly an abortion.

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The problem is that if you don't agree with abortion, you somehow want the mother to feel bad or you relish the idea of her being emotionally or psychologically damaged from it. Usually the opposite is true.

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frick you

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It isn't callous to think that the child should have a chance at life, just because it was the result of a traumatic event. I can feel empathy towards the mother while desiring that she keep the child.

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You are so delusional it makes me sick.

That might be a top ten stupid post.

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I think everyone should follow the same principles that I follow because I believe those principles are morally right and ultimately beneficial to humanity.

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Oh self righteousness. Let's look this up in the dictionary:

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having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior.

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Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, and holier-than-thou attitudes) is a feeling or display of (usually smug) moral superiority derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person. Self-righteous individuals are often intolerant of the opinions and behaviors of others.

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Ok, please read back your quote about 10 times and really take it in on how self righteous you are. You are trying to take over society and turn it into a theocracy. You are no better than Islamic extremists. Sure you may not have ever taken a life, but I'd bet serious cash if you were born in a goat pin in Afghanistan, you'd gladly strap a suicide vest to your chest and bomb a local girl's school.

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I let both logic and emotion guide my life. In fact I think its a good thing that I let emotion guide my life since it assists me in telling me which acts are monstrous and which aren't.

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Except what is "monstrous" to you is not "monstrous" to someone else, because you are admitting that your perception of what is "monstrous" is based on your emotions, which are subjective and vary from everyone else. PETA thinks it is monstrous to eat meat, but boy do I like a tender, juicy steak. Guess I'm a monster.

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You have no emotional or logical guidance in your life since you follow a 2000-3000 year old book and your snake oil salesman of a Baptist preacher tell blindly and without question or emotion. You are a drone, and an appallingly ignorant drone at that.

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You clearly know me so well.

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There's a lot wrong with this paragraph, but I'll keep it simple: your entire premise is based on the notion that the circumstances around the conception of a child outweigh the existence of the child after it has been conceived.

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No, there's nothing wrong with it, because it leaves one of two options: either God is evil or he is significantly morally flawed. That is to say, if you're right, then God is not worthy of being worshipped.

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Looks like I was right about that emotion thing with you.

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You say that like being an emotional being is a bad thing. Better than being an idiotic drone who only deals in a world of absolutes and not able to see anything in between.