- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:45 am to Sentrius
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:45 am to Sentrius
quote:
I mean no offense to OML but that's what struck me about him in this thread. The child is still a neutral 3rd party that had no choice of being conceived and it has no emotions or feelings about the situation the child him/herself was brought into.
I just think that many posters here are incredibly misogynistic when it comes to this issue. I really don't think they can fathom that a constant reminder of your traumatic rape is quite literally growing inside you and really changing your life for something you didn't choose. It's pretty much the ultimate nightmare for a person with PTSD. For me, this baby should have never existed. As far as the child's life is concerned, I see no difference between getting an abortion (especially early) and me getting in a time machine and stopping the rape from occurring altogether. If you're just screwing around recklessly, there's a healthy debate for this, but I really think some people on this forum look upon women who actually do this absolutely deplorably and should be ashamed of themselves looking at a woman who went through such a traumatic experience as a murderer.
quote:
When it comes to an attitude like this, I wonder how he would react if he met and had a conversation with someone he knew that was conceived through rape. It'd be a different thing entirely than looking at it as just a clump of cells now. This is why you shouldn't argue in absolutes.
Depends how the person was IRL. If he/she turned into what statistics show that person usually becomes, then no I doubt it, but if he/she somehow becomes a productive member of society, then yeah, I'd watch what I say.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:46 am
1
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:49 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Even fundamentalist Christians hold exceptions for rape don't they?
I actual find the "rape exception" much more heinous than most justifications for abortion.
It combines selfishness with an acceptance that we are not created equal, that we are not made in the image and likeness of God, and that the sins of the father must be taken out ten-fold on the son. Not only that, but you're following up one act of violence (rape) with another (child-killing).
Posted on 12/12/14 at 8:41 am to Sentrius
quote:
I can still think of it as a clump of cells
If the fetus is "just a clump of cells", then so are you.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 8:52 am to LordoftheManor
1) it's a fetus
2) See number 1
2) See number 1
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:01 am to Jim Rockford
It's well known that even pro life compromise on the rape possibilities. Abortion is not right. Neither was the rape. Can say wrongs don't make a right.
I have a tough time choosing. I just say though that as far as just "wanting" an abortion due to you spreading your legs is despicable and should be infanticide.
I have a tough time choosing. I just say though that as far as just "wanting" an abortion due to you spreading your legs is despicable and should be infanticide.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:42 am to OMLandshark
quote:
I just find this to be an incredibly mysogystic point of view. Let's say if you were rapped by a man, you wouldn't have a constant reminder months later that continues to grow in your stomach and have to change your whole life. You wouldn't want that doing even more long term damage to your mental psyche, would you?
Because life is a gift. Life is pure good. No matter how evil the act that created it, no good can come from taking an innocent life. Yes, it is difficult, yes, pregnancy is a hardship, yes, rape is a horrible horrible thing. However, life is precious. That child will be a reminder of that rape for the rest of her life. However, it will also remind her how even the most evil act imaginable can create something beautiful, a blessing, endless potential for good.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:54 am to OMLandshark
quote:
If you're just screwing around recklessly, there's a healthy debate for this, but I really think some people on this forum look upon women who actually do this absolutely deplorably and should be ashamed of themselves looking at a woman who went through such a traumatic experience as a murderer.
I feel incredible sadness and anger for women who suffer from being raped. Anger that someone would violate another human being like that in the most intimate way when that person had absolutely no choice in the matter. I however still feel like you cannot kill the child. Give it up for adoption. You say the birthing process would be too harsh on their psyche? Yeah and I'm sure watching a human be pulled piece by piece out of your vagina or delivering it to the head and sucking it's brain out through a tube isn't traumatizing at all.
quote:
I just think that many posters here are incredibly misogynistic when it comes to this issue. I really don't think they can fathom that a constant reminder of your traumatic rape is quite literally growing inside you and really changing your life for something you didn't choose
You should probably get over this ideology. I have marks on my body from things done to me when I was young. Do they remind me of what happened? Yes. Have I forgiven that person and moved on, yes? Have I had to have surgery to remove the marks, no? The "its a constant reminder so kill the kid" is flawed and honestly you think a person will ever forget the rape and abortion anyway? You don't get over horrible things in the past by burying them and pretending they didn't happen. You get over them by forgiving the person who hurt you, understanding you didn't deserve nor could have stopped it, and accepting that even though that thing happened you are still alive and your life can still be great.
quote:
It's pretty much the ultimate nightmare for a person with PTSD. For me, this baby should have never existed. As far as the child's life is concerned, I see no difference between getting an abortion (especially early) and me getting in a time machine and stopping the rape from occurring altogether.
Man has an affair and gets mistress pregnant destroying his marriage and causing immeasurable pain for all involved. I suppose that child deserves to die because it "should never have existed right? You can dance around it all you want but you can't hide behind the fact that you're taking out the sins of the father on an innocent child who chose nothing in the matter.
quote:
they are cancerous tumors and don't deserve to see the light of day. they shouldn't exist
Try using that in court pal. "Your honor, I killed this man and stole his money but he was a rape baby so he should never of existed in the first place." Whether you like it or not that baby is a living thing. If anyone is lacking compassion for the life of another, it's you. Whether I kill a rape baby at 7 months in the womb or a 30 year old rape baby, what's the difference?
Oh and one more thing, one of my best friends was concieved of a boyfriend raping his mom. I'll be sure to tell him he doesn't deserve to exist and is a constant reminder of rape to his mom. Prick.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:06 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:06 am to Pettifogger
quote:
Her pregnancy is the natural state of things.
this argument would go over well with her, I'm sure
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:34 am to Mattwells90
quote:
I feel incredible sadness and anger for women who suffer from being raped. Anger that someone would violate another human being like that in the most intimate way when that person had absolutely no choice in the matter. I however still feel like you cannot kill the child. Give it up for adoption. You say the birthing process would be too harsh on their psyche? Yeah and I'm sure watching a human be pulled piece by piece out of your vagina or delivering it to the head and sucking it's brain out through a tube isn't traumatizing at all.
Not if you get that thing sucked out immediately. I'm not proposing that you abort it 7 months in, even I find that horrifying, but when it's still merely a mass of cells with no consciousness, it's no biggie for me. And even with your scenario, I'm betting most psychiatrists would agree with me.
quote:
You should probably get over this ideology. I have marks on my body from things done to me when I was young. Do they remind me of what happened? Yes. Have I forgiven that person and moved on, yes? Have I had to have surgery to remove the marks, no? The "its a constant reminder so kill the kid" is flawed and honestly you think a person will ever forget the rape and abortion anyway?
It's not flawed. It's merely a marking you're describing, and not something that will only continue to get worse over the months. It's clear to me that most of you don't have a clue about PTSD. It's a pretty damn serious problem, and a pregnancy will likely frick a woman up mentally even worse than she was after the rape.
quote:
You get over them by forgiving the person who hurt you, understanding you didn't deserve nor could have stopped it, and accepting that even though that thing happened you are still alive and your life can still be great.
Forgiveness is complete bullshite when it comes to rape and murder. They should not be forgiven by the rapee or society at large and only be acknowledged as scum. These people ruin dozens upon dozens of lives, and forgiving them is really a form of denial on what they did is monstrous and unforgivable.
quote:
Man has an affair and gets mistress pregnant destroying his marriage and causing immeasurable pain for all involved. I suppose that child deserves to die because it "should never have existed right? You can dance around it all you want but you can't hide behind the fact that you're taking out the sins of the father on an innocent child who chose nothing in the matter.
This isn't anywhere in the ballpark as a rape case. The man fricked up and needs to live up to his mistake and support his kid if and when it's born. You don't want a rapist to have anything to do with his victim and really need to sever any possible connection to the incident that you can.
quote:
Whether I kill a rape baby at 7 months in the womb or a 30 year old rape baby, what's the difference?
Where the frick are you getting then 7 months thing from? I would want that baby terminated the second I found out I was pregnant with my rapist's kid. I sure as shite wouldn't wait 7 months where it could conceivably survive outside the womb and all it's body is formed.
quote:
Oh and one more thing, one of my best friends was concieved of a boyfriend raping his mom. I'll be sure to tell him he doesn't deserve to exist and is a constant reminder of rape to his mom. Prick.
So you're saying its a net good that his mother was raped in order for him to come into the world? In my just world, your friend would have never been conceived since his mother shouldn't have been raped. That's really what you fundamentalists are saying, and looking down on someone who did nothing irresponsibly and calling her a murderer I think is sickening.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 11:45 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:41 am to OMLandshark
I find incredibly pompous and arrogant that anybody would have the nerve to tell this woman what she can or cannot do.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:47 am to OMLandshark
We're on two separate ideological levels here. The fact that you referred to forgiveness as denial shows that.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:49 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
The law tells me I can't murder people. Does that make it arrogant and pompous?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:49 am to kingbob
quote:
Because life is a gift. Life is pure good. No matter how evil the act that created it, no good can come from taking an innocent life. Yes, it is difficult, yes, pregnancy is a hardship, yes, rape is a horrible horrible thing. However, life is precious. That child will be a reminder of that rape for the rest of her life. However, it will also remind her how even the most evil act imaginable can create something beautiful, a blessing, endless potential for good.
I'm sorry, I like you kingbob, but this is insanity to me.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:51 am to OMLandshark
You're putting words in my mouth. Rape is never good. But rape also doesn't make my buddy an evil demonic virus you make him and everyone like him out to be.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:51 am to OMLandshark
Fine then. You're a pessimist. We get it
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:52 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
OML you have to understand the majority of posters here really only care about a fetus as long as it's inside a woman.
The moment it passes through the vagina and into the open air then it's a baby and said woman is on her own.
Anything to keep them in place.
We live in a very sad society where a minority of people think it's pretty acceptable to force a woman to give birth to her rapist's child.
The moment it passes through the vagina and into the open air then it's a baby and said woman is on her own.
Anything to keep them in place.
We live in a very sad society where a minority of people think it's pretty acceptable to force a woman to give birth to her rapist's child.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:52 am to Mattwells90
quote:
We're on two separate ideological levels here. The fact that you referred to forgiveness as denial shows that.
So if someone raped and killed my wife and daughter, I should be obliged to forgive him for it? No, that is insane. There are unforgivable crimes. If my sister was murdered, and my parents forgave the murderer, I don't think I'd ever be able to look them in the eye and respect them.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:53 am to asurob1
And here come the sweeping generalizations from ASUROB.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:53 am to Mattwells90
quote:
The law tells me I can't murder people. Does that make it arrogant and pompous?
Yes it does, because you're looking at her as a murderer and victim second.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:55 am to OMLandshark
I never said you're obliged to. You can do whatever you like. I'm not saying they should be pardoned. A man who rapes and kills two people should spend the rest of his life in prison. However you hating him only makes you bitter and angry as a person.
Page 7 of 20
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News