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re: What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:56 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:56 am to OMLandshark
Not at all. I know she's a victim. I just don't think tragedy is the appropriate response to something awful.
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:01 pm to Mattwells90
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Not at all. I know she's a victim. I just don't think tragedy is the appropriate response to something awful.
I just think you have a poor understanding of what additional trauma can do to a fractured spirit.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:02 pm to OMLandshark
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I just think you have a poor understanding of what lack of forgiveness can do to a fractured spirit.
Fify
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:17 pm to kingbob
My sister was raped & tortured by a drug addict with the IQ of a plant. As a result, she lost use of an eye & her dominant hand. In addition, she was also impregnated by this animal. She, her husband, and our entire family did not blink an eye in deciding that she needed an abortion & she had one. Easy for any male to say the "potential for good" outweighs any bad in this case. This was an animal & my sister did not need to be reminded for the rest of her life what he did to her in those 2 days. She/we live in the real world, not the rose colored one where everything turns up just peachy every time. This attitude, more than any other, has firmly & irreversibly turned me into a pro choice believer.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:03 pm to Keltic Tiger
That's terrible by all accounts.
But it still doesn't address the child. All stories like this only talk about the rape victim. The horror is real, but it is only one part of the issue.
But it still doesn't address the child. All stories like this only talk about the rape victim. The horror is real, but it is only one part of the issue.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:06 pm to FooManChoo
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But it still doesn't address the child. All stories like this only talk about the rape victim. The horror is real, but it is only one part of the issue.
Saying its only "one part of the issue" is totally trivializing what this poor woman went through. Its not part of the issue, it is THE issue.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:12 pm to FooManChoo
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But it still doesn't address the child. All stories like this only talk about the rape victim. The horror is real, but it is only one part of the issue.
Because the child has little to do with the decision making process in a case like that. Ultimately the mother has to give birth and nurture the child. Its her decision to have the child or not. To be honest, the last thing on my mind is the welfare of an unborn child who's father is a drug addicted rapist who tortures women.
I have a really hard time with people who feel that a woman in that position has to think about a fetus over her own well being or her own future. That is just sick IMO. Just because she was impregnated doesn't mean she should have to live with the burden of toting around her rapists progeny.
Im no fan of abortion personally, but it has always been my position that the best stance is that women can do what they want with their pregnancy. When it comes down to it, the rights of the parent supercede the rights of the fetus.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:13 pm to onmymedicalgrind
No, it's not. Rape is definitely not a trivial thing, but if a child is conceived, it becomes part of the issue.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:15 pm to MrCarton
You have proved my point. Those who support abortion don't even consider the child in this decision; it just doesn't matter to you.
There are a lot of people who were conceived in rape and were allowed to live who are grateful for that selfless decision.
There are a lot of people who were conceived in rape and were allowed to live who are grateful for that selfless decision.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:23 pm to Keltic Tiger
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My sister was raped & tortured by a drug addict with the IQ of a plant. As a result, she lost use of an eye & her dominant hand. In addition, she was also impregnated by this animal. She, her husband, and our entire family did not blink an eye in deciding that she needed an abortion & she had one. Easy for any male to say the "potential for good" outweighs any bad in this case. This was an animal & my sister did not need to be reminded for the rest of her life what he did to her in those 2 days. She/we live in the real world, not the rose colored one where everything turns up just peachy every time. This attitude, more than any other, has firmly & irreversibly turned me into a pro choice believer.
Here's the real world of this situation, people. I am very sorry this had to happen to your sister and your family. I think you did the right thing for the horrible situation she was put through, and despite what these people in Cloud Cuckooland think, no way should there be forgiveness when something this sick happens. Really hope things have gotten better over the years.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:24 pm to FooManChoo
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That's terrible by all accounts. But it still doesn't address the child. All stories like this only talk about the rape victim. The horror is real, but it is only one part of the issue.
You're an awful human being.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:25 pm to FooManChoo
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No, it's not. Rape is definitely not a trivial thing, but if a child is conceived, it becomes part of the issue.
....but it doesn't take precedence over the woman who just suffered through something horrific and brutal.
Seriously, its people like you who give the pro-life movement a bad name.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:30 pm to onmymedicalgrind
The first thing to do in this situation is figure out if it was a legitimate rape.
ETA: Not making light of the situation; just bringing up that there really are viewpoints as crazy as "legitimate rape" bouncing around on the fringes of this argument.
ETA: Not making light of the situation; just bringing up that there really are viewpoints as crazy as "legitimate rape" bouncing around on the fringes of this argument.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:39 pm to FT
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The first thing to do in this situation is figure out if it was a legitimate rape.
Honestly we don't, because by the time we can get this to trial to completely clarify that, then she'll be 8 months pregnant and too late to do it. Abortions from rape victims should be done as quickly as possible.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:40 pm to FooManChoo
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You have proved my point. Those who support abortion don't even consider the child in this decision; it just doesn't matter to you.
There are a lot of people who were conceived in rape and were allowed to live who are grateful for that selfless decision.
I prioritize the mother over the child because that is the logical decision in my mind. Ideally all children are born and have perfect lives and are somehow able to be truly thankful they survived the challenges of being a fetus. Unfortunately I live in the real world and I know that that fanciful thought is just a dream.
The child of a yizidi rape victim has approximately 0% chance to live a reasonably happy life. The mother trying to provide for that child (the most important component in this scenario) has similar odds. Her most sound decision is abortion if that is possible. Deal with it. That's the world the world man. We dont all get to live awesome fulfilling lives. Sometimes its better when people die. We accept that in many different aspects of our society, but for some reason we hold the life of a fetus as sacrosanct. Even if it means laying the life of the mother at the alter of morality.
Its a horrible circumstance. I can empathize with the victims and the child, but I refuse to tell a mother whats best for her future.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:43 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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....but it doesn't take precedence over the woman who just suffered through something horrific and brutal.
Boom. People are so focused on the fetus that they forget how events like this effect the future kids support systems. It short sighted and hypocritical.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:46 pm to MrCarton
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Boom. People are so focused on the fetus that they forget how events like this effect the future kids support systems. It short sighted and hypocritical.
Yep. Its easy to get on your soapbox and take that position when you know there is a 0% chance that can happen to you bc of biology.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:48 pm to OMLandshark
quote:I was being facetious.
Honestly we don't, because by the time we can get this to trial to completely clarify that, then she'll be 8 months pregnant and too late to do it. Abortions from rape victims should be done as quickly as possible.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:48 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Yep. Its easy to get on your soapbox and take that position when you know there is a 0% chance that can happen to you bc of biology.
Yep. Its so easy to tell other people how to suffer.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:56 pm to MrCarton
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Yep. Its so easy to tell other people how to suffer.
It is really the most misogynistic point of view one can have.
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