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Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:25 am to sabes que
A belief in science is a belief in only what you can perceive. because all science has been observed through one perception or another. Which is why science does not invalidate religion.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:26 am to Masterag
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then i guess you don't really believe in anything
I've never been called a nihilist before.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:27 am to sabes que
quote:Insofar as """scientific consensus""" is a largely political and non-scientific concept, it is not important at all.
How important is the scientific consensus to you
quote:To trust the scientific method and its processes, and distrust the undercutting of it.
What does it mean to believe in science
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:30 am to Clear for the option
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Which is why science does not invalidate religion.
But it can disprove claims religion makes about the physical universe.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:31 am to sabes que
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You do not have "faith" in your own experience. You think therefore you are.., it is the most concrete thing in the universe, if you doubt that, or it requires "faith" on your part, perhaps you lack the ability to think, which based on your post definitely seems plausible.
Cogito ergo sum only attempts to prove one's own existence not the reliability of one's senses.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 8:56 am
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:41 am to Sapere
The left: Women are the equal of men in every way! Why do you hate science!?!???! Global warming motherfricker!
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:54 am to sabes que
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Those things you named that were designed were designed by something more complex than them. So, if god designed us, that would have to mean he was designed by something even more complex.
Your second sentence does not follow the first. You have not established that if something is designed the designer must be more complex than the thing that is designed. All that can be gathered from your statement is that some things that are designed have designers that are more complex than themselves.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:59 am to Sapere
I believe in science as an open and neverending method of inquiry and not as a secular religion presided over by media annointed clerics.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 2:29 pm to sabes que
My short response before a longer one... Cause I'm at work.
Belief is not involved in science. It is not possible for one to "believe in science." Science is observations, experiments, testing, data, etc. As hard for it may be for some to grasp, and as many downvotes as I might get for this, if you're someone who says you can believe or not believe in science... You're wrong. Argue as much as you want. Downvote as much as you want. You're still wrong.
As far as sides go. Science does not choose sides. It explains observations that have been tested through rigorous experiments. It doesn't give a shite if you're a liberal or a conservative. And as much as people will argue this, it has no political agenda. People can argue that and downvote that as much as they want... But they're wrong. People who are not scientists on the other hand might use science for political agendas. And I agree, both liberals and conservatives do this. It's not their fault though... they're not scientists. But that's a different story.
As far as scientific consensus goes, it doesn't matter how I, or anyone else feels. It's based on tons of experiments which show some explanation to be consistent. That's a really rough explanation. And again, it has no political agenda.
Belief is not involved in science. It is not possible for one to "believe in science." Science is observations, experiments, testing, data, etc. As hard for it may be for some to grasp, and as many downvotes as I might get for this, if you're someone who says you can believe or not believe in science... You're wrong. Argue as much as you want. Downvote as much as you want. You're still wrong.
As far as sides go. Science does not choose sides. It explains observations that have been tested through rigorous experiments. It doesn't give a shite if you're a liberal or a conservative. And as much as people will argue this, it has no political agenda. People can argue that and downvote that as much as they want... But they're wrong. People who are not scientists on the other hand might use science for political agendas. And I agree, both liberals and conservatives do this. It's not their fault though... they're not scientists. But that's a different story.
As far as scientific consensus goes, it doesn't matter how I, or anyone else feels. It's based on tons of experiments which show some explanation to be consistent. That's a really rough explanation. And again, it has no political agenda.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 2:31 pm to sabes que
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What do you think it means to believe in science?
That the person using the phrase is a moron.
Science doesn't care if one believes in it or not, and has evidence to back itself up.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 2:39 pm to FutureRATeammember
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How many genders are there?
Depends on if you prescribe to the concept of gender being a social definition, a biological one (physical characteristics), a biological one (reproductive characteristics), a neurological one, etc.
Most people here likely prescribe to the reproductive interpretation, in which case they'll likely answer 2. This is regardless if the individual is capable of actually engaging in the act of reproduction (due to infertility, etc).
The other physical side, then you would look at hermaphrodites (now referred to as intersex) as at least a third position in the gender system. These individuals can range from outwardly appearing as precisely one or the other, to having mixed attributes from the two sides (female and male).
Getting into the social and neurological premise is way more daunting. Gender becomes less of physical presence and more mental state. This would be worth an entire thread on its own, but not one in a politically charge location like this.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 2:44 pm to CptBengal
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Science isn't about belief. It's about facts.
I'd wager there's a pretty large percentage of people who claim to be all about science but lack the intellectual capacity to understand any of it and just go by whatever Bill Nye tells them. That is where the belief aspect comes into play.
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 2:45 pm to sabes que
it means rejecting science you don't believe in and attempting to marginalize it as a non-science
like evolutionary psychology
like evolutionary psychology
Posted on 1/31/17 at 2:46 pm to red_giraffe
Also, while there is a scientific consensus on climate change, I still think gore is a frickhead for talking about. HE is the one who politicized the issue which caused everyone to see this as a Democrat vs Republican issue. I don't give a crap what gore says, he's not a scientist. Can we all at least agree that gore is a frickhead?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 2:47 pm to BulldogXero
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I'd wager there's a pretty large percentage of people who claim to be all about science but lack the intellectual capacity to understand any of it and just go by whatever Bill Nye tells them. That is where the belief aspect comes into play.
well you can get philosophical about it
science has biases b/c it's created by man. the bias can be political or personal (ensuring experiments work or interpreting the data to reveal a novel conclusion to get career advancement and publicity/more funding)
the verification process can use its own biases to curtail good research or promote bad research
so there is a bit of appeal to authority, even in science, and that requires faith
pure, objective science is rare these days b/c of the personal biases and funding biases
Posted on 1/31/17 at 2:52 pm to CptBengal
Science relies on belief more than facts. Science is a form of religion. Most people accept science based on faith not facts. They do not read the research, they believe what is socially acceptable about see topic. Science and religion only differ in one key aspect, methodology. You only accept science as sureior to religion because someone told you the scientific method is the correct method.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 2:54 pm to FreddieMac
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Science relies on belief more than facts. Science is a form of religion. Most people accept science based on faith not facts.
ah you see the problem with your comment is that science, at least good science, is replicatable
theories or functional analyses that can be replicated are much more legitimate than postulations without data
Posted on 1/31/17 at 3:06 pm to FreddieMac
And yet science does not rely on how outside people "accept" it. A Scientific finding will present the same facts whether outsiders gloss over it, or read it in depth. Again, it makes no difference.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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ah you see the problem with your comment is that science, at least good science, is replicatable
wrong, that is a fallacy. Written science is made to look replicable. In many cases it is not replicable nor does it need to be to be good science. Just think about null results. The idea is that most scientist will only publish those results that show significant results because that is what scientific journals want. There is not many journals for null results for experiments that did not produce the expected result.
There are instances when you can replicate the methods exactly on a specific experiment and not get the same result, a null result. It is impossible to account for every variation in an experiment. In many cases those types of results are not accepted or even published. Why is that? Because science has a vested interest in not publishing null results because you want to be discovering and getting funding.
Science is a socially accepted phenomenon. Science relies upon peer pressure for its results to be accepted. 99.9% of the public that accept a scientific theory do so on faith, not because they tested the issue for themselves. Science has priest that have knowledge no one else does. They make their pronouncements that most us cannot understand. The only difference between religion and science is that science has a methodology that allows for one to actually test your theory, so the priest of science has a method that is not just based on faith. To this point, there is no test to finding a deity, so religion must be accepted on blind faith. But you must understand and view science as a social phenomenon that is subject to the same biases as any religion or political system.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 3:31 pm
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