re: Were the founders full of shite?

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The revolutionary claim that “all men are created equal” coexisted with the enslavement of millions

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The revolutionary claim that “all men are created equal” is not in our founding documents. I think you'd find Jefferson's opinings on the DOI proclamation interesting though. Basically he viewed the British as having hooked the colonies on an addiction to slavery which he (oddly as a slaveholder) recognized as abhorrent. He wrote a whole diatribe in the DOI excoriating King George for imposing the institution of slavery on the US. It was deleted from the final document.

Most are familiar with the 3/5ths Compromise. A correlate was another clause, "The Slave Trade (Importation) Clause," declaring that slave importation "shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to" 1808. In his Presidency, Jefferson pushed for legislation banning slave importation, and signed it into law Jan 1st, 1808. He also pushed for, and attained, a ban on the importation of slaves in Virginia shortly after his authoring of the DOI.

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Did the founders believe their own bullshite?

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"Belief" is not inherent in the Constitution. An attempt at a new form of government is. A component of that attempt was the ability to amend it. That has been done to the point we even granted women the right to vote (I'm kidding, Cubs). But that gets at your contention "Justice has never existed as an inherent right in this country."

You are of course using the term "justice" as a floating signifier.

E.g., Are Black victims of Black crime receiving justice through nonprosectution and/or early release? Are Black high achievers receiving justice in an environment where they may be perceived as affirmative action recipients due to the program's overuse in today's America?

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Did the founders believe their own bullshite?

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I think they did the best they could under the circumstance.

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That part was cut in order to get all 13 colonies on board.

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I think it was Franklin who right out of the gate insisted that the declaration vote needed to be unanimous. After not a little debate unanimous it was.
They were truly some brilliant people that hammered the Declaration of Independence together, and the process to do it.

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Did the founders believe their own bullshite?

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The founders built a structure that has endured 250 years. That is kinda something.

Your mindless drivel is the opposite.

Try to do this. Try to read everything with an understanding of the thoughts of the time.

I think you would do well understanding this.

I mean in as short as ten years ago we thought men had a penis and women had a vagina.

To be fair I'm kinda old fashioned. I like the women I date to have a vagina. I know, I know. That makes me transphobe.

But think about how much smarter we have gotten under biden and how hard trump is working to change is back to the bad old times.

We now realize that men can have babies and a woman can have a penis and it's all good.

Further we have learned that placing people who commit violent crime is racist and we need to let them roam free.

That spending trillions of dollars was a smart idea and wouldn't add to inflation.

I mean imagine that Obama term years ago wanted men to compete with men and that we should try to enforce a border.

Tandoori we have learned from you that Obama was incorrect about these crazy thoughts.

Keep on posting. I can see you making a difference. I think you are having a real impact. Some of the guys are now willing to date very large mammals like Lizzy was and shamu.

And since they are more enlightened I they me by learning new techniques to orally stimulate their new age girlfriends. I hear their old school girlfriends are teaching them...

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Why do people respond to her threads? It’s all the same shite, oppression fantasies.

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I have a sister like her who I love very much. She is always miserable and nothing is right. She lacks gratitude. I pray for her all the time. I feel bad for cubbies. It’s a miserable existence to be so unhappy.

It’s these founding principles based on Christian ethics that helped end the widespread practice of slavery worldwide.

She's neck deep in feminist oppression fairy tales. It drives their emotional reactions.

None of which are nearly as important as she thinks.

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Why do people respond to her threads? Its all the same shite, oppression fantasies.

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I am eating my lunch and stumbled on her latest rant, I should know better but here we are.

Cubbies, I appreciate hearing your different perspectives. Thanks for starting the thread. If it truly were a question, I think the answer is a resounding "NO!"

I don't like the personal attacks on you, but I think there have been several excellent rebuttals based on objective facts. I have enjoyed reading them and...as always...learned some things.

Have you ever changed your mind based on responses you have received in threads such as this?

To the contrary, I would say the founders’ ideals, expressed so eloquently in their many letters and published writings, were better than the society in which they found themselves. This is true with respect to slavery, the treatment of women, and more. The founders were far from saintly, but they were not “full of shite,” either.

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4cubbies

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My posts help explain why women were deprived of rights.

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