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re: Were the founders full of shite?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:29 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:29 am to 4cubbies
If you haven't seen the movie 1776, you should. I always thought it was some silly musical, untilI sat down one day and watched it. It was a great movie. Very factual and the scene where South Carolina votes no on the Declaration because of slavery explained a lot. The South Carolina Delegate made a strong enough case, and Jefferson recognized it, that Adam's had to back off on the slavery abolishment originally in the declaration draft.
Highly suggest you watch it.
Highly suggest you watch it.
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Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:29 am to 4cubbies
Sub human is the word. It’s written throughout world history but I bet you already knew that. I won’t defend don’t need to the greatest document written. Lifted more. Did more. Saved more.
Let’s discuss the over 100 million dead from Marx and Engel. Socialism/Communism
Let’s discuss the over 100 million dead from Marx and Engel. Socialism/Communism
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:30 am to 4cubbies
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The revolutionary claim that “all men are created equal” coexisted with the enslavement of millions
It was your democratic party that owned slaves, SFchubbies
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:30 am to weagle1999
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I wish slavery had never happened in the United States.
I wish it never happened or never abolished
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:30 am to TROLA
I appreciate your thoughtful response.
Slavery was legal in all 13 colonies when the Declaration of Independence was written and signed.
Seems like the implication is that the government should also treat men equally, though.
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The majority of states had already outlawed slavery and polling suggests the majority of all people saw the evils of slavery but this new government relied on a basic framework to hold the states together as one nation.
Slavery was legal in all 13 colonies when the Declaration of Independence was written and signed.
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All men are created equal under god not government.
Seems like the implication is that the government should also treat men equally, though.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:31 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:31 am to 4cubbies
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The revolutionary claim that “all men are created equal” coexisted with the enslavement of millions
Do you believe your own bullshite? There weren’t “millions” enslaved at the time of our founding. There was likely less than 3 million total people in the colonies at the time.
Slavery was an issue even the slave holding founders struggled with and it is precisely the document you’re trying to denigrate that eventually led to the freeing of the slaves.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:32 am to 4cubbies
i see you're trying really hard to sound intelligent today.... if you look at the true history of slavery you'll find out that the first american slave owner was an african man, Anthony Johnson. he himself was an indentured servant which was legal practice in those times. he then found a way to legally force indentured servants into becoming forever slaves which made him the first slave owner and set the stepping stones for what african americans endured and what todays black community want reparations for.
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my point being, the founders didnt creat or codify the existing system of slavery. they worked within it. and the system that they created lead to the end of slavery. Thanks founding fathers.
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my point being, the founders didnt creat or codify the existing system of slavery. they worked within it. and the system that they created lead to the end of slavery. Thanks founding fathers.
This post was edited on 10/14/25 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:32 am to 4cubbies
They were all flawed men yet at the same time they were extremely brave, resourceful and collectively they were brilliant. The Founding Fathers crafted the most inclusive and equitable legal documents in the history of the world to bring a nation into existence and more specifically, Western civilization.
My suggestion to any person who is still finding grievance and fault with the Founding Fathers is to take up residence in another country that they believe better represents their worldview and see how it goes.
My suggestion to any person who is still finding grievance and fault with the Founding Fathers is to take up residence in another country that they believe better represents their worldview and see how it goes.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:32 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Well, there's your fricking problem, right there.
It at least helps explain why women were deprived of rights.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:33 am to 4cubbies
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I'm trying to approach this through a sociological lens, taking into consideration common opinions/beliefs at the time, but still...
This is a lie, doubtful it’s your first today.
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The revolutionary claim that “all men are created equal” coexisted with the enslavement of millions,
Example #1 of your lie. The very definition of “man” in that time was about whether you lived a Godly life in His image, whether you owned property, whether you provided for and protected your family, shite like that. While it is understandable that you don’t get the concept, it is unconscionable to promote juvenile arguments pretending ignorance of that concept.
I can continue here, but you won’t listen, so I’m not going to waste our time.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:33 am to TROLA
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The constitution explicitly talks about states rights but not slavery for a reason
This. The southern states would not have joined the Union had slavery been abolished in the founding documents.
Right, wrong, indifferent that’s the truth. They did the math and did not use sociology. Math always wins.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:33 am to 4cubbies
We should’ve been more like Wakanda
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:33 am to Bourre
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You seem to have no qualms about not considering babies as human as you advocate for their murder
What are you talking about?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:35 am to Sofaking2
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No system is perfect. This US is system is the most successful in world history.
Systems can only improve if they are analyzed and evaluated critically.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:36 am to 4cubbies
George Washington/Thomas Jefferson vs. 4cubbies
Not really a hard decision for me.
PS - You're full of shite.
Not really a hard decision for me.
PS - You're full of shite.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:37 am to 4cubbies
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I'm trying to approach this through a sociological lens
I think you meant to say "through a socialist and illogical lens."
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:37 am to 4cubbies
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coexisted with the enslavement of millions
Pure ignorance. A lie probably.
In 1776 there were somewhere between 350k and 500k slaves in the colonies.
Why do you spread bullshite?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:37 am to Loner
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I wish it never happened or never abolished
It did exist. Legally.
And it was outlawed. Through a war. Legally.
These are issues that were dealt with through pragmatic means.
Pragmatism vs deception.
Alot of politics the last few decades has been deceptive.
Trump is being pragmatic.
Therin lies the difference with Trump.
Alot of what is being done i necessary for our countries survival, and is pragmatic. So, getting stuff done.
Now he needs to build that Arch.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:38 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
It’s like he forgot all US history but the bad. He should know of the battle over slavery in our early history. How mostly southern states refused to accept anything that outlawed slave owning or they wouldn’t sign. No USA and world history changes completely. He should read Adams disgust and worry over the reckoning that he and others knew were coming.
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