re: Were the founders full of shite?

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"Educated" white females are a hive mind and think they are here to save brown people.

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While setting up homes in lily white areas and never actually physically lifting a finger to do anything they constantly cry about.

These insufferable people cry about inequality in others and the need to do something and then will pay 1,500 bucks a ticket to go see Taylor swift. Then walk by the homeless on the way to the concert.

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.Like most humans, I love being insulted by strangers

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I can't speak for most, but I dated a female one time that absolutely LOVED being degraded and treated like utter dung. She was submissive and wanted to be dominated. The worse I treated her, the better she liked it.

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For example, how would you have had the founders deal with the existing institution of slavery in the constitution?

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I see your point. I do. People have made compelling arguments about this in this thread. I'm not suggesting that I can identify a better (realistic) way of approaching slavery.

It's the sanctimony, though. Or maybe I'm just reading sanctimony into these documents? (touching on your perception vs reality point from earlier)

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Some people are thoughtful. Lots of people are really angry instead.

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Or perhaps they were responding to the tone you put forth in your OP?

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Topic: Were the founders full of shite?

Conclusion- Justice has never existed as an inherent right in this country, despite what our founders claimed. Justice has always been a privilege extended to those deemed worthy by prevailing social hierarchies of race, gender, and class.

Did the founders believe their own bullshite?

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Did YOU approach this topic through a thoughtful lens? No. You didn't.

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Good point.

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You really should read Jefferson's notes, theory, and considered remedies for slavery prior to the 1778 Virginia ban. It speaks to our analysis through presentism of what those men were dealing with.

It isn't a particularly positive commentary on Jefferson (whom I generally hold in high regard). For his own political purposes, he ultimately scrapped his remedy for ridding the United States of slavery. But it's very enlightening with regard to contemporary thought and the socioeconomic environment at the time. If you're writing a paper, his thoughts would make for excellent inclusion.

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Or perhaps they were responding to the tone you put forth in your OP?

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I know I stated I wouldn't engage any longer, but that is my primary issue with this poster.

The tone is always this way, then the inevitable attacks from others come in, even down to insulting her as a person, which I said I don't agree with.

So, with that, here is what I will offer as some sound "advice":

Dear Mrs. Cubbies M'am,

Next time you want to start at topic such as this, and you intend to have a solid, good faith "debate", run your idea through CoPilot.

CoPilot is great at taking something like your OP and removing the shitty tone. I have it do this for me at least five times a day at work when I have to reply to someone who I've answered numerous times already or I'm dealing with someone who is very very sensitive.

Either way, it will help you craft a better approach to your topic, and also show the board you are actually open to ideas.

Ok, now I'll ignore you again until you change your tone.

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It isn't a particularly positive commentary on Jefferson (whom I generally hold in high regard). For his own political purposes, he ultimately scrapped his remedy for ridding the United States of slavery. But it's very enlightening with regard to contemporary thought and the socioeconomic environment at the time. If you're writing a paper, his thoughts would make for excellent inclusion.

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Thanks. The paper isn't actually about slavery, but I'm sure I'd find something useful to cite.

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Or perhaps they were responding to the tone you put forth in your OP?

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She has admitted to using language and phrasing in order to elicit as much attention as she can get. She does it so she can eventually do the "omg you creeps can't stay away from me and it nakes me feel unsafe" bit.

Read about the debates that the founders had before the final draft(s) were signed. You may be surprised to learn that 11 of the 13 colonies were opposed to slavery in any form, but Georgia and South Carolina refuse to comply.