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re: Were the founders full of shite?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:13 pm to slidingstop
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:13 pm to slidingstop
OP take on history is like that undergraduate student that just discovered Washington did tell a lie. This post modern idiocy about American history has just reached levels of idiotic simplicity that is laughable.
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Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:19 pm to kingbob
Funny thing is we all became slaves to a system.
Consumerism is the perfection of slavery.
Consumerism is the perfection of slavery.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:36 pm to FreddieMac
quote:Folks get bent out of shape in cubbies' threads when she posts a controversial OP. This thread is an example.
OP take on history
It seems to me she's actually searching for contrarian opinions; she's seeking opinions which she is not exposed to in her curriculum environment. Perhaps I'm wrong? But I don't believe so.
If you accept that the OP was her hardened personal belief though, she did migrate a bit from it in the course of this thread.
To me, her OP's seem to be a bit of an academic exercise – – i,e., controversial stem question followed by an essay response. In that regard, it's little different then what would be presented to students in law school, or advanced university classes.
Regardless, there is no need to personalize it. Though I don't know for a fact what her reasoning is for some of her posts, my impression is that many/most of her OP's relate in some way to questions/concepts proposed by her colleagues or professors. She forwards those to get input here.
I just don't get the angst, or vitriol directed at her in these threads.
This post was edited on 10/14/25 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:46 pm to onepiecemayne
quote:Wow.
Consumerism is the perfection of slavery.
So consumerism drags you from your family in chains, to a life where freedom does not exist in any form, and issues severe corporal punishment for mistakes or underperformance on your part, based on your owner's opinion?
That is one hell of an interesting take
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:47 pm to timdonaghyswhistle
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Sounds like you are really on to something here.
Should change a lot of minds.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:50 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
I'm trying to approach this through a sociological lens
Only lenses you have are dishonesty and profound retardation.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:53 pm to 4cubbies
People like you are going to absolutely destroy what is a good thing in pursuit of your utopia that does not and will never exist.
quote:You are the epitome of those who believe themselves to be intelligent by leaning on the least rigorous and least intelligent of academic areas of study.
I'm trying to approach this through a sociological lens
This post was edited on 10/14/25 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:55 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
Reading some of our founding documents and things just aren't adding up. I'm trying to approach this through a sociological lens, taking into consideration common opinions/beliefs at the time, but still...
Let's think about the concept of justice, which has been written about extensively by philosophers and political theorists alike since forever - how could the founders enshrine the concept of justice in our most sacred civic texts while also codifying objectively unjust practices?
The revolutionary claim that “all men are created equal” coexisted with the enslavement of millions, the Constitution’s call to “establish justice” was constrained by legal structures that codified inequality, and the Pledge’s promise of “justice for all” has never applied to those systematically excluded from full citizenship. Even celebrating "Independence Day" while slavery was a legal practice in this country is such a mindfrick.
Justice has never existed as an inherent right in this country, despite what our founders claimed. Justice has always been a privilege extended to those deemed worthy by prevailing social hierarchies of race, gender, and class.
Did the founders believe their own bullshite?
They believed it every bit as much as "Christians" today who support keeping abortion legal, and they held both views simultaneously the same way.
It's a pretty simple trick.
You just deny that the population in question is actually a human being.
"All men are created equal" works fine with slavery as long as you just deny that black men are actually men.
Murder is fine with people who simply deny that unborn humans are actually humans.
No contradiction.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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I just don't get the angst, or vitriol directed at her in these threads.
Some of it is earned.
Some of it is simply because she holds a different view.
And now, some of it is because she may not actually be her. If you know what I mean.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:00 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Okay, FWIW, I think I can put that last bit to rest.
If you know what I mean.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:07 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Okay, FWIW, I think I can put that last bit to rest.
Confirming or denying?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:20 pm to 4cubbies
No, they were political geniuses!
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:27 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Seems a bizarre question for a supposed educated adult American to be wrestling with and undecided upon.
Would you say educated adult Americans typically accept prevailing narratives without thought or question?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:28 pm to 4cubbies
You do seem to be having a hard time of it, aren’t you?!
Thinking, that is.
Thinking, that is.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:30 pm to wackatimesthree
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And now, some of it is because she may not actually be her. If you know what I mean.
I’ve met a few posters over the years and I’m connected with a few on social media. But sure, SFP is my alter.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:30 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
quote:
OP take on history
Folks get bent out of shape in cubbies' threads when she posts a controversial OP. This thread is an example.
It seems to me she's actually searching for contrarian opinions; she's seeking opinions which she is not exposed to in her curriculum environment. Perhaps I'm wrong? But I don't believe so.
If you accept that the OP was her hardened personal belief though, she did migrate a bit from it in the course of this thread.
To me, her OP's seem to be a bit of an academic exercise – – i,e., controversial stem question followed by an essay response. In that regard, it's little different then what would be presented to students in law school, or advanced university classes.
Regardless, there is no need to personalize it. Though I don't know for a fact what her reasoning is for some of her posts, my impression is that many/most of her OP's relate in some way to questions/concepts proposed by her colleagues or professors. She forwards those to get input here.
I just don't get the angst, or vitriol directed at her in these threads.
your reading more emotion into what I said than was intended. The OP's take is nothing unique or new, and on the surface seems very meaningful. But once you stop looking at history through the lens of the 20th century, then you start realizing that our founder were by far some of the most enlightened men of their time. Also, the OP's comment paints the founders with one brush, completely ignoring the nuance difference between slave owners like Washington versus John Adams and abolitionist. Not all founders thought the same about this one subject...
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:37 pm to 4cubbies
Make me a sandwich, fatazz.
This post was edited on 10/14/25 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:37 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Come on.
Confirming or denying?
She is as she represents herself here, okay?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:40 pm to Scruffy
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People like you are going to absolutely destroy what is a good thing in pursuit of your utopia that does not and will never exist.
Destroy what, specifically? And how?
quote:
You are the epitome of those who believe themselves to be intelligent by leaning on the least rigorous and least intelligent of academic areas of study.
Noted. Feel better now?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:41 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I can DEFINITIVELY confirm that as false
But sure, SFP is my alter.
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