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re: Was the dissolution of black families caused by the Govt?

Posted on 7/15/18 at 4:17 am to
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 4:17 am to
The war on drugs
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 4:24 am to
War on drugs destroyed black families??

Interesting. Maybe it had a disparate impact because of the impoverishment of young blacks driven by the dissolution of the black family structure.

Stronger father figures within a traditional family structure would have worked to minimize the attraction of a drug-centric lifestyle.
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 4:44 am to
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The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baumfor the April cover story published Tuesday.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said




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October 27, 1986: Reagan signs into law the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986. Frontline writes that the law allocated funds to new prisons, drug education, and treatment. But its main result was to create mandatory minimum sentences. The harsh sentences on crack cocaine use disproportionately affect African-Americans. 


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This attack on poorer communities was achieved in multiple ways, including mass incarceration, disproportionate arrests, and sentencing disparities. Since the declaration of the war on drugs prison populations have more than tripled, and at only 12 percent of the United States population, African Americans compromise 46 percent of those incarcerated in state and federal prisons with black males being 7.7 times more likely to be incarcerated than white males4. Despite the 1992 findings of The U.S. Public Health Service Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration that 76 percent of drug users were white, 14 percent African American, and 8 percent Hispanic, and drug arrests are a principle reason these proportions of blacks in prison exist.4 Furthermore, those charged with possession of just 1 gram of crack are given the same sentence as those found in possession of 18 grams of cocaine, an improvement from the previous 100:1 sentencing disparity which was alleviated only recently by the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010. Given that “crack and cocaine are nearly identical on a molecular level,”-the only plausible explanation for the sentencing disparity unfairly targeting crack users is because they are more likely to be black.
There might be those who might claim that the above allegation of a purposeful attack on the black community is paranoia, but proof of this conspiracy was supplied by one of the highest members of the Nixon White House. In the spring of 2016, a 22-year-old interview surfaced from a domestic policy chief and top advisor in the Nixon campaign by the name of John Ehrlichman, who asserted that the Nixon administration deliberately associated blacks with drugs as a “political assault designed to help Nixon win, and keep, the White House.” Ehrlichman reasoned that by associating blacks with drugs and then criminalizing them heavily “we could disrupt those communities, arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of Course we did.


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This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 4:45 am
Posted by tidalmouse
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 5:56 am to


If you want to make a case for blaming the Gov't for the Crack Epidemic of the 90's,I suppose a case could be made.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 6:48 am to
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Seeing how the LBJ thread has (predictably) devolved into personal insults
LBJ was IMO the most loathsome POTUS in US history. As RFK succinctly put it, LBJ was an animal.

The Moynihan Report of 1965 detailed likely effects of LBJ policy on impoverished Black Families. It was a prescient treatise. LBJ knew that. He understood it for what it was. To forward his "Great Society" he had to undercut the report. So in the classic leftist form of assigning one's own flaws to an opponent, LBJ accused Moynihan of being racist. Considering the two men, it was about comparable to Brezhnev accusing Reagan of being Communist. But it somehow worked. The perceived importance of Moynihan's findings faded.

Along with Moynihan, LBJ anticipated both the devastating effects and their resultant dependency of "Great Society" programs. But unlike Moynihan, LBJ couldn't have cared less about ruining families in the process, as long as he secured votes. He viewed devastation and dependency as ironic constituency creators. It seems he was right.

Upward mobility, opportunity, independence, and success (God forbid) tended to move individuals toward the GOP. Dependency did just the opposite. A secure Democrat voting bloc was LBJ's sole interest in addressing indigent Black Families. He accomplished the task.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 6:49 am
Posted by homesicktiger
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 6:51 am to
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I see you keep posting that unproven qoute again


[hijack]Please provide your defense for LBJ, counselor. I’m dying to read this.[/hijack]
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 7:18 am to
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Donald Trump built his wealth off scamming people and bankruptcy to avoid taxes


The subject of this forum addressed the "dissolution of black families",not DJT's business dealings. FACT - Unemployment in the black community is down sharply under Donald J. Trump. FACT - Under President Trump's leadership we have a record 155 million people employed and we STILL have a shortage of workers. I will say again a decent job with benefits is the best way to lift African American families out of poverty.

But I do understand you have adopted the tactic progressive democrats use when arguing with conservatives. If you can't argue the facts....change the subject and attack the messenger.

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell” - Carl Sandburg

Have a great day!

This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 7:24 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 7:34 am to
No. However the policies allowed for poor decision makers to make even worse decisions.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 7:37 am to
yes
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 7:44 am to
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Daniel Patrick Moynihan said as much.


And you know what leftists called Moynihan after his report on black families?

A neoconservative.
Posted by steadytiger
Member since Jan 2007
2756 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 7:59 am to
Laughable statistics. Whites 15 to 17, rarely married. This low age skews everything toward more blacks married than realistically expected. The age should be 18 and older.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261735 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 8:01 am to
Your infographic and presumption aren't related.

The reason black folks are 7x more likely to be convicted of murder has nothing to do with bias.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 8:04 am
Posted by dr smartass phd
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 8:02 am to
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Was the dissolution of black families caused by the Govt?



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Posted by Zach
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:47 am to
Thomas Sowell was the first to publish the stats on black marriages declining starting in the late 60s.
I can't remember if he cited any other causes besides welfare's reward for being a single mom.

I do know that white divorces went up during the 60s with the advent of the pill. Children tended to dissuade women from walking out. With no kids it was easier for married women to move on as soon as they found a man they liked better. That's also when 'irreconcilable' became grounds.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124202 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:51 am to
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TJGator1215
Take it for what it's worth, but John Ehrlichman was malignantly anti-Nixon after it was apparent he, Ehrlichman, would never be pardoned for his actions. Near the end of his life, he was more anti-Nixon than Carl Bernstein. It obsessed him. He was willing to say nearly anything to undercut him.

Now you can certainly believe Nixon, a Californian and Eisenhower moderate, had it in for Blacks. It's your prerogative. Just understand you are quoting as unreliable a source as there probably is.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:56 am to
Just study what Patrick Moynihan said and wrote and then see if he was right. I mean, it’s simple- if you subsidize something, you get more of it. If you replace black men with a government check, don’t be surprised if more black men get replaced by government checks. Liberal good intentions DESTROYED the black family, utterly decimated it. And from that came all the devastating Social Pathologies that we now associate with black life in America. A very sad State- orchestrated outcome.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42855 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:34 am to
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Posted by TJGator1215 on 7/15/18 at 4:44 am to ChineseBandit58


I have just returned home from my trip. I see many others have given you better responses than I. No need for me to try to add.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 11:44 am to
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"Keep them poor, uneducated and dependent on the government for their existence, and we'll keep their vote."


Don’t forget they also created a class of “slave masters” (primarily the CBC and clergy) to whip them into line. The most telling example is the MS governor race in 2007 when a week before the election the MS AA Clergy dropped their support for the Democratic candidate and endorsed Haley Barbour. Soon after Barbour won the election numerous members of the AA Clergy were awarded lucrative contracts.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92877 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 11:48 am to
The welfare state, illegal immigration, declining church attendance and a changing economy are to blame
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 11:51 am to
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What was the cause of black marriage rates going from marginally highest in the country prior to 1970 to where they are now?
Unintended consequences of well-meaning but poorly-considered do-gooder programs.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 11:53 am
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