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Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:02 pm to KosmoCramer
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The US didn't want to kill a large number of Japanese citizens with the intent of destroying the nation. So by that definition, no it was not an attempted genocide
I think the estimates of over 1 million American casualties if invading the mainland was a bigger determining factor than japanese deaths.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:05 pm to Deuces
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Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocidal?
No. Not even close. Very easy question. Do you have any more?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:06 pm to Deuces
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Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocidal?
Look up the definition of genocide and get back to us.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:06 pm to Deuces
I've been saying the same for months. Would Japan or Germany have unconditionally surrendered were it not for their cities being destroyed? Of course not, and that would have caused WWII to drag out for years. The West has seemed to have forgotten the lessons of WWI & II and that's why the US hasn't completely "won," a war since. We seem far more interested and concerned with international approval and hearts and minds than actually finishing a war by any means necessary.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:06 pm to Deuces
Genicidal? No. We bombed them because they were aligned with the Empire of Japan Who we were at war with , not because they were Japanese nor Asian.
Now, immoral? Yep. But I guess that’s war .
Now, immoral? Yep. But I guess that’s war .
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:07 pm to Deuces
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Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocidal
frick no.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:08 pm to OzonaOkapi
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The bombs killed about one-tenth of one percent of the population of Japan. Anyone who calls that "genocide" needs to get a dictionary.
Using that logic, the Israelis could wipe Palestine off the map and it wouldn't be genocide being as 20% of Israel's population is Palestinian and they aren't being targeted.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:09 pm to Deuces
No.
Japanese warrior code dictated no surrender. The bombs were dropped to demonstrate the futility of continuing the war. The bombs saved many many lives on both sides.
Japanese warrior code dictated no surrender. The bombs were dropped to demonstrate the futility of continuing the war. The bombs saved many many lives on both sides.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:14 pm to Deuces
This is that ignorant kind of question that ignores the atrocities that japan had inflicted on Korea, China, Vietnam,. Thailand, Philippines all of Southeast Asia and Australia. Ask the victims of Japan what they think.
Then consider that the Japanese worshiped the emperor as god and would have died to the last person before they surrendered in a ground battle.
Then consider that the Japanese worshiped the emperor as god and would have died to the last person before they surrendered in a ground battle.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:40 pm to Deuces
Based on the way the Japanese fought throughout the pacific, Many more Japanese and Americans would have died if the US invaded Japan.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:50 pm to RollTide71
Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were staging areas for the oncoming invasion. Both legitimate military targets.
When the occupation convoys arrived bringing food and medical supplies, Civilians committed suicide by jumping into the paths of trucks.
Sit down and have a dialog with survivors and the future of both cities. The majority agree it was the only way to end the war and save lives.
We have an Officer's Sword from Iwo Jima ......My Grandfather was given the sword during the surrender. We took it to Japan ( we lived in Tokyo) to return it to the family. The family refused to receive the sword.
When the occupation convoys arrived bringing food and medical supplies, Civilians committed suicide by jumping into the paths of trucks.
Sit down and have a dialog with survivors and the future of both cities. The majority agree it was the only way to end the war and save lives.
We have an Officer's Sword from Iwo Jima ......My Grandfather was given the sword during the surrender. We took it to Japan ( we lived in Tokyo) to return it to the family. The family refused to receive the sword.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:59 pm to Deuces
I don't know if I'd say that we celebrate it. I've never seen that before. But was it necessary... yes. I firmly believe that considering the times. I'm sure more than a few of us wouldn't be here now had a land invasion of the home islands happened not to mention that Japanese deaths which would've also been catastrophic. The bombs ultimately saved lives.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:02 pm to Deuces
Nope. Civilian casualties are not necessarily genocide.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:05 pm to Deuces
This is what Japan was up to before we dropped the bombs on them.
During its imperial era, the Empire of Japan committed numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity across various Asian-Pacific nations, notably during the Second Sino-Japanese and Pacific Wars. These incidents have been referred to as "the Asian Holocaust",[3][4] and as "Japan's Holocaust".[5] The crimes occurred during the early part of the Showa era, under Hirohito's reign.
The Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) and the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) were responsible for a multitude of war crimes leading to millions of deaths. War crimes ranged from sexual slavery and massacres to human experimentation, starvation, and forced labor, all either directly committed or condoned by the Japanese military and government.[6][7][8][9][10] Evidence of these crimes, including oral testimonies and written records such as diaries and war journals, has been provided by Japanese veterans.[11]
The Japanese political and military leadership knew of its military's crimes, yet continued to allow it and even support it, with the majority of Japanese troops stationed in Asia either taking part in or supporting the killings.[12]
The Imperial Japanese Army Air Service participated in chemical and biological attacks on civilians during the Second Sino-Japanese War and World War II, violating international agreements that Japan had previously signed, including the Hague Conventions, which prohibited the use of "poison or poisoned weapons" in warfare.[13][14]
Since the 1950s, numerous apologies for the war crimes have been issued by senior Japanese government officials. Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs has acknowledged the country's role in causing "tremendous damage and suffering" during World War II, particularly the massacre and rape of civilians in Nanjing by the IJA.[15] However, the issue remains controversial, with some members of the Japanese government, including former prime ministers Junichiro Koizumi and Shinzo Abe, having paid respects at the Yasukuni Shrine, which honors all Japanese war dead, including convicted Class A war criminals. Furthermore, some Japanese history textbooks provide only brief references to the war crimes,[16] and certain members of the Liberal Democratic Party have denied some of the atrocities, such as the government's involvement in abducting women to serve as "comfort women", a euphemism for sex slaves.[17][18]
During its imperial era, the Empire of Japan committed numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity across various Asian-Pacific nations, notably during the Second Sino-Japanese and Pacific Wars. These incidents have been referred to as "the Asian Holocaust",[3][4] and as "Japan's Holocaust".[5] The crimes occurred during the early part of the Showa era, under Hirohito's reign.
The Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) and the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) were responsible for a multitude of war crimes leading to millions of deaths. War crimes ranged from sexual slavery and massacres to human experimentation, starvation, and forced labor, all either directly committed or condoned by the Japanese military and government.[6][7][8][9][10] Evidence of these crimes, including oral testimonies and written records such as diaries and war journals, has been provided by Japanese veterans.[11]
The Japanese political and military leadership knew of its military's crimes, yet continued to allow it and even support it, with the majority of Japanese troops stationed in Asia either taking part in or supporting the killings.[12]
The Imperial Japanese Army Air Service participated in chemical and biological attacks on civilians during the Second Sino-Japanese War and World War II, violating international agreements that Japan had previously signed, including the Hague Conventions, which prohibited the use of "poison or poisoned weapons" in warfare.[13][14]
Since the 1950s, numerous apologies for the war crimes have been issued by senior Japanese government officials. Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs has acknowledged the country's role in causing "tremendous damage and suffering" during World War II, particularly the massacre and rape of civilians in Nanjing by the IJA.[15] However, the issue remains controversial, with some members of the Japanese government, including former prime ministers Junichiro Koizumi and Shinzo Abe, having paid respects at the Yasukuni Shrine, which honors all Japanese war dead, including convicted Class A war criminals. Furthermore, some Japanese history textbooks provide only brief references to the war crimes,[16] and certain members of the Liberal Democratic Party have denied some of the atrocities, such as the government's involvement in abducting women to serve as "comfort women", a euphemism for sex slaves.[17][18]
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:08 pm to Deuces
More of them would have died if we invaded with full force.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:13 pm to Deuces
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What say you?
You need to look up the definition of genocidal.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:14 pm to Deuces
No. They they fricked around and found out after they attacked Pearl Harbor.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:16 pm to Deuces
Genocidal? Don’t know, depends on whose definition.
Had to be done. Wouldn’t think it’s celebrated.
Had to be done. Wouldn’t think it’s celebrated.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:20 pm to Deuces
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Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocidal?
Have you looked up the definition of genocide?
It's not the mass killing of people, it's the intentional killing of a certain demographic.
If America was trying to commit genocide why only two bombs? Why not kill our own Japanese citizens.
It was a mass killing, not genocide.
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