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re: Vivek: Jesus is A son of god but not THE son of god. A way to heaven but not THE way

Posted on 5/1/26 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by Houag80
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 2:33 pm to
Retard please...
Posted by tarzana
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 2:34 pm to
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Which one of the 33,000 Protestant churches is the one that can trace its lineage to Christ

A good candidate for this are the various Baptist congregations, founded at the time of John The Baptist's baptism of Christ. Their practices and interpretation of Scripture are the closest to New Testament Christianity
Posted by dickkellog
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 2:53 pm to
it's ironic as a hindu vivek has no well difined concept of god brahman is about as close as they get, they have no obligation to worship like baptist they go to temple when they feel like it and mostly don't, they don't have well defined rituals like baptism.

in it's current form hinduism is about 500 years old.

it's not a religion as it is a social construct of how to conduct ones life for about 1.2 billion living in some of the most impoverished parts of the planet.

median income in india is about $300 a month.

so he needs to shut the he11 about god.

my guess is that vance's wife converts now that his kids are getting baptised catholic
Posted by coldbeerfan
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 2:57 pm to
He's all hat and no cattle.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 3:02 pm to
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A good candidate for this are the various Baptist congregations, founded at the time of John The Baptist's baptism of Christ. Their practices and interpretation of Scripture are the closest to New Testament Christianity


Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 3:03 pm to
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in it's current form hinduism is about 500 years old.

it's not a religion as it is a social construct of how to conduct ones life


Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 3:06 pm to
Orthodox and Roman Catholicism are in agreement on almost everything except papal authority.

They also have continuity with the apostles in common, ergo the real presence and legit Eucharist. The rest of what you typed highlights how much one has to twist themselves around the axle to be Protestant.

I can walk into any Orthodox Church and receive communion legitimately and when the priest presents the Lord and says “body of Christ” and I respond “Amen” it’s not because some prayer ended but because I am responding “so be it” or “I agree” anyone of any of the orthodox churches can do the same.


Yes, people of every stripe struggle with sin. It’s our fallen nature from original sin - concupiscence which has plagued us since Adam and Eve.
Posted by tarzana
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 3:09 pm to
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there will be another Democrat governor in Ohio because of him

Likely the case, but it won't be because of his religious beliefs. It'll be because the Democrats will have selected a better nominee.
Posted by WWII Collector
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 3:28 pm to
Stay away from that baw.. lightening may strike him..
Posted by rattlebucket
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 3:35 pm to
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Show me proof or historical evidence


I gave you the verse. Check it out.
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 4:00 pm to
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We are founded as a Christian nation.


Then you expect the word Christianity or Jesus to appear in some of our founding documents like the Declaration of Independence or defunct Articles of Confederation or our Constitution but Jesus is not mentioned.

God is mentioned several times.

Most of our founding fathers would probably be better off described as Deists (people who believe in a God) and not strict Christians.

Our founding father in America's treaty with Tripolki also openly said that America was not designed to be a Christian nation.

Quote from that treaty, signed just a few years after the Constition -


Article 11 of the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, reads:

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims],—and as the said States [of America] never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 4:35 pm to
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Orthodox and Roman Catholicism are in agreement on almost everything except papal authority.
First, that's a big disagreement. It's one of the primary reasons each excommunicated the other about 1000 years ago.

In addition, there are many things that Rome and the East disagree with, such as the Filioque clause, Purgatory, aspects of original sin, the immaculate conception, justification (satisfaction/merit vs theosis), sacramental validity, and divorce and remarriage These are just a few of the bigger differences. There are even disagreements on how many sacraments there are, and how baptism should be done, as well as terminology related to the Eucharist.

I don't think you've considered how different Rome and the EOC are from one another, and I suspect that's because you're focusing on what you have in common (which is fine in itself), over and against Protestants.

While I think it's unfair to lump all Protestants together, we actually do share the vast majority of our beliefs in common. The ancient creeds are affirmed, and the basics of who God is, who we are, and how we are saved, are held in common. We also agree on what sacraments are sacraments (baptism and the eucharist), though we may disagree on particulars.

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They also have continuity with the apostles in common, ergo the real presence and legit Eucharist. The rest of what you typed highlights how much one has to twist themselves around the axle to be Protestant.

I can walk into any Orthodox Church and receive communion legitimately and when the priest presents the Lord and says “body of Christ” and I respond “Amen” it’s not because some prayer ended but because I am responding “so be it” or “I agree” anyone of any of the orthodox churches can do the same.

Any Protestant can come to our church and take the Eucharist, as well (as long as they are a member in good standing of a church, have a Christian baptism, and provide a basic but credible testimony of their faith in Jesus Christ). Our denomination fences the table, but we allow all professing Christians to commune with us within the parameters stated. Most other denominations or independent churches do not fence the table, though, so most therefore allow communion with anyone who can in good conscience participate.

There are many denominations that have more in common with each other than different Catholic parishes do. What separates us isn't so much our understanding of the Bible, but our desire for purity in truth, which results in organizational separation between brothers and sisters, even if there is spiritual unity on the core aspects of Christianity, so that we can call each other "brother" in spite of our disagreements.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 6:19 pm to
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Any Protestant can come to our church and take the Eucharist, as well (as long as they are a member in good standing of a church, have a Christian baptism, and provide a basic but credible testimony of their faith in Jesus Christ).


Of course they can because yours is pretend. That’s like saying anyone can take tea with the queen when your 3 year old is pretending to be queen. Meaningless.


The fact that no other churches have the real presence through transubstantiation is why I’m Catholic. I’ve prayed on the idea of changing to Orthodox and haven’t ruled it out, but there’s no way I’m going anywhere that doesn’t have a legitimate line of succession to the apostles.
Posted by Bamafig
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 6:22 pm to
At least he is honest with his thoughts. I respect that more than the political “christians”. He is wrong, but sincerely wrong.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 6:38 pm to
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transubstantiation



catholics like to use all these $4 words all the time.
Posted by LatherZap
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 6:41 pm to

(shrug). Whatever, I'm not hung up on religion. He isn't Muslim, that's good enough for me.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 6:45 pm to
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Ohio should be a Republican lock, but this guy is not going to resonate with real Americans who actually work for a living. It’s going to be sad to see a Democrat getting elected Governor for the first time 2006.


The rumor is that Vivek had an affair with a 30 year old daughter of a state senator. He may not make it to the general if the party pushes him out after the primary, a la Biden to Harris:

The Rooster
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 6:46 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 6:46 pm to
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catholics like to use all these $4 words all the time.


Nice anti-intellectualism.
Posted by HagaDaga
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:41 pm to
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Vivek: Jesus is A son of god but not THE son of god. A way to heaven but not THE way
Didnt Vance named his kid after this Christophobic Charlton ??
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 7:42 pm
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:07 pm to
Pretty soon we’ll be known as a “Judeo-Hindi-Christian” nation. They’ll tell us it’s always been that way hahaha.
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