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re: US diesel crack spread hits record $102 for the first time on supply disruptions.

Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:40 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
101156 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:40 am to
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It has nothing to do with me


Sure but you have never ever ever been right about anything

So Im sure hes not panicking at all

I bet you are a rate hike type of guy as well
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
47810 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:47 am to
Member when Biden said we were gonna get rid of oil and oil products completely?

I member.

So I don’t understand the freak out. 81 million people voted for getting rid of it completely, why are we worried about it being slightly inhibited currently?
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41847 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:58 am to
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Deleting existing trucks will have a negligible effect on anything except emissions. The fuel savings are negligible, DEF costs are negligible, reliabilty costs are not negligible but vastly overstated.


Not true. Many many modern diesel trucks have DEF issues. I’ve had first hand experience on multiple trucks. The inconvenience of buying DEF alone is worth deleting it
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
73209 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:05 am to
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Not true. Many many modern diesel trucks have DEF issues. I’ve had first hand experience on multiple trucks. The inconvenience of buying DEF alone is worth deleting it


And I have first hand experience with fleets of OTR trucks and off highway tier 4 equipment.

The big number is the purchase price of the vehicle/equipment. The engines and auxiliary systems are massively more expensive than a regular mechanical diesel engine and the vehicle itself costs much more to support and integrate with those systems.

None of this will ever come to pass so it doesnt matter. If Trump came out tomorrow and said new EO go out and fully delete your diesels, it wouldnt move the needle on this issue. It would just be a massive boon for the companies who have the capability to do the work, temporarily, until the next dem administration put the kabosh on it.

Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
60713 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:08 am to
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I think he is worried


He should be. Inflation has remained above 3% for most of this year thus far. Inflation is a function of too much money in the economy and Congress is on track to spend $2.1T in deficit this year.

Fun fact: that's the 3rd highest deficit in history, following 2021's $2.77T and 2020's $3.13T.

Fun fact #2: All five of the five largest deficits in US history have happened since 2020.

In order to cut spending just to balance the budget (ie: not pay the debt down one cent) while still servicing the debt, it would mean cutting every penny the federal government spent this year by ~35% (without debt servicing it would be ~29%, but not servicing would be suicide). Cutting that much would create a deep recession or even depression. The resulting popping of the consumer credit bubble would absolutely put us into a deep depression. With the vast majority of the citizenry being far removed from agrarianism, it would likely make the Great Depression look like a church picnic (and no, that's not hyperbole).

As long as deficits remain higher than giraffe pussy, inflation is going to continue to remain sticky well above the 2% target. As long as it remains sticky, the Fed is going to feel pressured to raise rates. As long as there is a probability of the Fed raising rates, yields are going to stay high. Along with that, as long as deficit spending continues apace, there's going to be less desire to buy US debt without an increase in auction tails which will translate to an eventual growth in yields.

In other words, it's a no-win situation and Jerry's mythological "soft landing" remains just that: mythological.
Posted by RemyLeBeau
Member since Mar 2015
2595 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:14 am to
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The fed needs to raise rates to fight oil prices


And how is that going to change the lack of refining capacity in distillates? Which is the true cause.
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
11832 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:32 am to
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Not true. Many many modern diesel trucks have DEF issues. I’ve had first hand experience on multiple trucks. The inconvenience of buying DEF alone is worth deleting it
This is me... not so much the cost as the inconvenience of buying, carrying & re-filling.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
38988 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:54 am to
102 is pretty high. The spread on RBOB currently is close to $60 a barrel. If those numbers push up anther $10 respectively, you might see some individual traders on the NYMEX happy, but the rest of us will be hollering because you'll probably have diesel up around $7 a gallon and regular gasoline testing new highs per gallon.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
68989 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 12:08 pm to
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Of what?

Oil? Gasoline? Diesel?


Of what the article was discussing in the line I quoted.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
68989 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 12:08 pm to
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Free market sir


This is not a term that could be used to describe the oil market.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
68989 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 12:10 pm to
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"Make America Great Again" is starting to look mroe like "Bring back the Carter Adminstration" every day.


Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
30343 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 12:52 pm to
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Of what the article was discussing in the line I quoted.


Appreciate the clarification. I honestly wasn’t completely sure.

So if the U.S. government did that, would diesel prices here at home decrease for everyone?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
71063 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
68989 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 1:29 pm to
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Appreciate the clarification. I honestly wasn’t completely sure.

So if the U.S. government did that, would diesel prices here at home decrease for everyone?


I would have to assume so? The article seemed to indicate diesel was higher because exports were booming. Seems like the easy answer here is to further control the exports. It's obviously more complex than that, but that would be where I would hope the government would figure things out.
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 1:30 pm
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
104777 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 1:32 pm to
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If I let my 2500 get below 1/4, it’s pushing toward $200 to fill it up. Only use it to tow the camper and side by side so it isn’t a daily driver but still…


I just paid a 57k electric bill and 16k diesel bill for last month
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2778 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 1:40 pm to
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As long as deficits remain higher than giraffe pussy, inflation is going to continue to remain sticky well above the 2% target. As long as it remains sticky, the Fed is going to feel pressured to raise rates. As long as there is a probability of the Fed raising rates, yields are going to stay high. Along with that, as long as deficit spending continues apace, there's going to be less desire to buy US debt without an increase in auction tails which will translate to an eventual growth in yields.

In other words, it's a no-win situation and Jerry's mythological "soft landing" remains just that: mythological.


I agree.
And just to state the obvious - raising rates in the soft labor market we have would exacerbate that employment problem that is beginning to grow.
the state of the labor market suggests actually lowering rates, which of course will just add fuel to the inflation fire.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
64323 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 2:08 pm to
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The large physical deficit on the market due to the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz should have led to much higher oil prices. But talked down by the administration the prices hardly budged.
Its a bit odd. Usually diesel price tracks crack price much closer.



But I don’t have any insight as to why this split is occurring—yet. I’m wondering if slack demand is keeping the prices down (hopefully not!) but that’s just a hunch. Haven’t looked at any data.
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