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re: UM, Don't look now but somehow, AOC is getting this Police thing 100% correct right now.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:01 am to novabill
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:01 am to novabill
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The real problem is that the supposed "good" ones are COSNTANTLY caught on camera doing not a goddamned thing about it.
If that was the case cops would never be jailed and/or fired for wrongdoing and that definitely is not the case
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:05 am to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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But the world and society aren’t perfect. You take away the cops & America will turn into Haiti overnight.
I truly believe there are more good people with guns. It might take a bit but when thugs learn they'll likely pay with their life for their crime, no matter how insignificant, things will take a turn for the better. I regularly go to the range with my 80 year old neighbor. She's just as sharp as ever. And she wouldn't hesitate to blow someone's head off if needed.
That's the society I want. Not one where we allow cops to trample over the rights of innocent people. Or cops who think dried bird poop is cocaine. And yes, that happened in South Carolina.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:05 am to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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But the world and society aren’t perfect. You take away the cops & America will turn into Haiti overnight.
Can we have good police? Police that enforce the law and do not use unnecessary force?
Of course force is needed at times, even deadly force. But where is the outcry from the right when the police are wrong? It seems like they refuse to see any police problems because that would be agreeing with the left in some way.
It is very difficult to find a bad police situation that the majority of this board would condemn. It is like they are unable to see a situation where police do wrong, especially if the victim of police actions is a criminal themselves. The police are given a pass on anything they do to a criminal.
I am very conservative and surprised that wanting the police to follow the law and not mistreat people would cause me to seen as a lefty by some. But it is what it is.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:08 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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While there are areas where they lack in training, most are acting in good faith trying to do their job. Even if it’s done poorly.
Would you accept that from your bank teller? How about architects? How about school bus drivers?
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:10 am to novabill
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I am very conservative and surprised that wanting the police to follow the law and not mistreat people would cause me to seen as a lefty by some. But it is what it is.
I'm with you on this 100%. I bet most of this board supported the cop in AZ who arrested the grandmother for feeding the homeless in the park.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:11 am to AUCom96
She’s demanding change. Well, she should tell us how to change policing without defending the police, because we know that doesn’t work.
I’m for bringing back public executions. It’s actually humane when you realize it will save thousands of lives.
I’m for bringing back public executions. It’s actually humane when you realize it will save thousands of lives.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:15 am to Dex Morgan
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I bet most of this board supported the cop in AZ who arrested the grandmother for feeding the homeless in the park.
Is that what you've learned since Nov 22? As far as I can tell there's a pretty even split here when it comes to controversial policing.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:16 am to Dex Morgan
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At least 1,176 people were killed by law enforcement last year - a record.
Typical Dem strategy. Not enough minorities being killed my non minority cops now, so take the entire number of people killed by cops, remove the details, push the narrative, followers think it’s 1,176 minorities killed by cops, continue to profit off the minorities.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:19 am to Dex Morgan
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That's the society I want. Not one where we allow cops to trample over the rights of innocent people. Or cops who think dried bird poop is cocaine. And yes, that happened in South Carolina.
I don’t think anyone wants that, I sure don’t. But eliminating the police all together isn’t feasible either. Training them better, paying them better and making them apolitical is what’s needed
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:19 am to Dex Morgan
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Would you accept that from your bank teller? How about architects? How about school bus drivers?
I put up with bad manners, lack of professionalism, and employees that seem aren’t very knowledgeable in their field every day and in every setting.
I’ve spent more money on mechanic work that didn’t fix the issue than I have on tickets and fines. Are we rallying the troops to get rid of mechanics?
I’ve seen both sides of this. I was wrongly arrested a few years ago in a small town and lost money because of it. I’ve also done a lot of traveling and met some really nice small town cops that were happy to help people.
When you talk about a broken system, you have to look at the individual departments. Not the overall profession. Idk what can fix that but federal oversight isn’t it.
Only solution I could see is the Sheriff having full LE control over a county / parish if there are no municipalities over 10k residents. Sheriffs are elected which means they have constituents to answer to while police Chiefs are appointed.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:25 am to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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I don’t think anyone wants that, I sure don’t. But eliminating the police all together isn’t feasible either. Training them better, paying them better and making them apolitical is what’s needed
How about real consequences for their actions as well? Do you really think suspending with pay is a punishment?
How about start hiring decent people and not tatted up and roided up freakshows?
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:31 am to FelicianaTigerfan
I’ll also say that the application pool is dry for LE. Agencies across the country are sending brochures to colleges 100s of miles away that offer LE training trying to recruit.
Departments are throwing 10k signing bonuses to experienced LE trying to get employees. The job sucks and the risk outweighs the reward. I wish people had the approach where they recognized it’s a shitty job and tried to make it more appealing to the type people we all want as LEOs instead of hating them and demonizing them in a strange attempt to push for change.
Departments are throwing 10k signing bonuses to experienced LE trying to get employees. The job sucks and the risk outweighs the reward. I wish people had the approach where they recognized it’s a shitty job and tried to make it more appealing to the type people we all want as LEOs instead of hating them and demonizing them in a strange attempt to push for change.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:35 am to Dex Morgan
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Do you really think suspending with pay is a punishment?
By definition, suspension is without pay. You can be placed on administrative leave with pay while the investigation is ongoing. Once it’s complete, then you’re either cleared or serve the punishment.
Your issues with this have more to do with unions, civil service than police “culture” IMO
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:36 am to High Desert
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At least 1,176 people were killed by law enforcement last year - a record
This is put out for emotional reaction. She needs to break this down for it to make sense.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:37 am to High Desert
quote:Judging all police by the actions of five of them is silly. What if applied that sort of sweeping generalization. to the people killed? What if we generalized black people this way? What if we generalized Muslims this way?
The effort to separate the officers who murdered Tyre Nichols from the system of policing that produced them is palpable.
The reality is AOC is trying to leverage one event to attack the entire system. That’s a classic revolutionary technique to capture the system-not change it.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:40 am to Dex Morgan
I don't care if they defund all police (including FBI) at this point as long as I can defend myself.
Maybe that's what it will take to thin some of the herds.
Maybe that's what it will take to thin some of the herds.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:40 am to AUCom96
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impose the will of the system on a growing culture who has been brought up to resist law enforcement to the point of violence.
This is the point I think which is ignored by most and you can't fix a problem unless you address the entire thing. All of the onus for change is put on the police, but very little is put on the society which glorifies poor life choices and lawlessness.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:41 am to Taxing Authority
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Judging all police by the actions of five of them is silly. What if applied that sort of sweeping generalization. to the people killed? What if we generalized black people this way?
The difference is that there are black people who do call out the bad ones in their own community and demand better of themselves. Good luck finding any cop that will call out the bad actors in their ranks.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't care if they defund all police (including FBI) at this point as long as I can defend myself. Maybe that's what it will take to thin some of the herds.
Amen. I'm ready!
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:44 am to Dex Morgan
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How about real consequences for their actions as well? Do you really think suspending with pay is a punishment? How about start hiring decent people and not tatted up and roided up freakshows?
Ask these guys in Memphis if there aren’t real consequences for cops doing fricked up shite. Suspended with pay usually is just the beginning of a cop’s’ problems as far as being charged criminally. A cop who breaks the law should be treated like anyone else, again no one is arguing that point.
As far as recruitment goes, look at the public opinion of cops right now. Who is signing up to be a piñata for some politician? Look at the pay, the kind of person we all want to do the job isn’t looking to do it. This warped notion on society nowadays that hating the police and vilifiing the profession will bring about “change” is having the exact opposite effect. Don’t pay them, hate them, take away their immunity so they can be sued FOR ANY REASON BY ANYONE, no wonder they can’t get anyone to do it and who cops are quitting and retiring in droves
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